From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 10 17:40:57 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D51216A417 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:40:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tevans.uk@googlemail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.175]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE87813C474 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:40:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tevans.uk@googlemail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id y2so434606uge.37 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 09:40:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=OMQCgguwvJXmgTglYqIQxb5zSQjGNmie66dazW98n5w=; b=kJuLbSg2DSwAFlxDLWliCekzv25+Nr6Yh2NrSqLEmA7S0QfeSoQWFWDfdnY2gPEkFwmwPZ3WLvHJu/H3BiSyxpszBVBMPnaaqMscD381j7v2A51dHDmoM6RQSn2HoxMzBWcTmf3PSXqsaSuCm6lW5al2ltMOB+sw3A7NWTqwFKE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer; b=V7KGwmSzprbid5pdcDBBOUNzhjeJkcmaavL6wtzLtSeaPO4WnWMMg7EU9UUxeUsBWdkj7M51UNElS9NJwCblT0QM0ME3UcGX71eUaE4Ro0OrZHHRhyLCdqinnK1WJz7JnIf7eNfoU0PTfm3U4YmUnK8Dz6C1776fxALNi3MTh1g= Received: by 10.66.236.13 with SMTP id j13mr3451990ugh.30.1199986855710; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 09:40:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?127.0.0.1? ( [217.206.187.79]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p10sm1287567gvf.12.2008.01.10.09.40.54 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 10 Jan 2008 09:40:55 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Evans To: Eric Anderson In-Reply-To: <47865494.7030304@freebsd.org> References: <478556AD.6090400@bsdforen.de> <20080110003524.GB5188@soaustin.net> <4786167D.7060202@freebsd.org> <70e8236f0801100739r4ea9f4a0nf8734d8f3bb9f31e@mail.gmail.com> <1199981082.1713.6.camel@localhost> <47865494.7030304@freebsd.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-+QcGiOitHqNDPMtS3FjD" Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:40:53 +0000 Message-Id: <1199986853.1713.18.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.2 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Cc: Joao Barros , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:40:57 -0000 --=-+QcGiOitHqNDPMtS3FjD Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2008-01-10 at 11:23 -0600, Eric Anderson wrote: > Tom Evans wrote: > > On Thu, 2008-01-10 at 15:39 +0000, Joao Barros wrote: > >> On Jan 10, 2008 12:58 PM, Eric Anderson wrote: > >>> Also - a really good (up to date) guide on setting up a nice developm= ent > >>> environment would probably help huge amounts. I know there are many > >>> different environments, but that's great - we should write them all u= p. > >>> That would get more developers up-and-running quicker. > >> This would be *MOST* welcome :-D > >=20 > > man 7 development > >=20 > > It is fairly simple to set up following those instructions. > >=20 > >=20 > > Cheers > >=20 > > Tom >=20 >=20 > That only covers part of the development process. Once you get that=20 > part set up, there are many other things to do. Testing changes on a=20 > real system, or testing them on a virtual machine, debugging crashes, etc= . >=20 > Eric >=20 That is very true Eric - I for one would like to see how to setup and test kernel changes on a QEMU VM. Debugging crashes is covered by the developers handbook (1). My point wasn't that everything is covered, but there is some very good documentation already out there already. Cheers Tom 1: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/kernel= debug.html --=-+QcGiOitHqNDPMtS3FjD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBHhlihlcRvFfyds/cRAr8FAJ409B09IjsEMnlWW1rnCRzbW4RAuACfcRRI rbqpoZHK0u9ejBpmh29hMos= =PS8F -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-+QcGiOitHqNDPMtS3FjD--