Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2016 18:20:59 +0100 From: Kurt Jaeger <lists@opsec.eu> To: Roger Marquis <marquis@roble.com> Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List <freebsd-ports@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Removing documentation Message-ID: <20160215172059.GL26283@home.opsec.eu> References: <56C1E579.30303@marino.st>
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Hi! > The FreeBSD Foundation SHOULD have played a part in insuring > a smoother transition to pkgng (much less portsng and, gack, rcng) but > this doesn't seem to have been on their radar. I don't know if it was on their radar, but I saw at that time that the community lost users due to the technical debt of the old pkg_* stuff. And it lost developers because the old way was too burdensome. > I believe this is factually incorrect. We were aware but the decisions > were being made by core developers who were not, apparently, interested > in our concerns or the expected fallout. Those two are seperate things: - Being interested - having enough communication bandwidth (== time to spend on mailing lists argueing back and forth) So, what should a poor core developer do, given this choice ? I don't think that too many core developers were left doing the work. > > There was always the option of freezing the tree and pulling in the > > security updates manually until you were ready to migrate to pkg(8) too. > Sure, if you can afford to pay a full-time core dev there's the option of > backporting but even this was made impractical by the simultaneous > deprecation of the pre-ng ports tree, make version and pkg format. So, if it was too burdensome for the whole project to support two trees (that probably was the estimate for the core developers involved [and I'm not one of them]), why, do you think, would it have worked for a sub-fraction of the project ? > There are lots of reasons why Linux has effectively eclipsed BSD > including device drivers, unattended deployments and install menus but > 8.X's wholesale throwing of so many of us under the bus was by far the > worst. Indeed, it was a cruel choice. Someone had to decide. -- pi@opsec.eu +49 171 3101372 4 years to go !
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