From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 10:43:47 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 569B31065672 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:43:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBA678FC1B for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:43:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBEAhWa7003296; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:43:34 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.7.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk mBEAhWa7003296 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1229251414; bh=RIGceWrl98oQc6 /GqMIUjVhLZjYIPqZKHgQNsZ1j58c=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version: To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type: Date:From:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Mes sage-ID:=20<4944E34E.1040904@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20Sun,=2 014=20Dec=202008=2010:43:26=20+0000|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman=20|Organization:=20Infracaninophile|User -Agent:=20Thunderbird=202.0.0.18=20(X11/20081125)|MIME-Version:=201 .0|To:=20Glen=20Barber=20|CC:=20Wojciech=2 0Puchar=20,=20=0D=0A=20Da=20Rock=20 ,=0D=0A=20freebsd-questions@freebsd. org|Subject:=20Re:=20Why=20FreeBSD=20not=20popular=20on=20hardware= 20vendors|References:=20<20081213143200.GA5026@lpthe.jussieu.fr>=09 <18755.53118.854987.966113@jerusalem.litteratus.org>=09<20081213182 336.V41178@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>=09<87skosf02b.fsf@kobe.laptop>= 09<20081213184751.N41297@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>=09<94136a2c081213 1010p648d1a81q54f62bb3e1a61026@mail.gmail.com>=09<20081213200315.A4 4344@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>=09<1229234226.18610.109.camel@laptop2 .herveybayaustralia.com.au>=09<20081214110312.V48606@wojtek.tensor. gdynia.pl>=20<4ad871310812140207r178560c1nf166d2adcbe5f698@mail.gma il.com>|In-Reply-To:=20<4ad871310812140207r178560c1nf166d2adcbe5f69 8@mail.gmail.com>|X-Enigmail-Version:=200.95.6|Content-Type:=20mult ipart/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha256=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"applic ation/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------enig6370D7B BCF80122869B2BEB7"; b=jLwM18t7276Hnbnxro94JVmLiiumOlQdwBWSgDxeVwLLh uFKidoFriNpXs4RyT31mw6fSN3MIH70x6WQyrTNMFT27d46NSpCUbPtHLCXX13UV8a4 Zu967wkVFwm6QTCRMpjqQilZSMQskFf7CEN7PtwxAIjuWdytnkmFmyJ41IY= Message-ID: <4944E34E.1040904@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:43:26 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Glen Barber References: <20081213143200.GA5026@lpthe.jussieu.fr> <18755.53118.854987.966113@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081213182336.V41178@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87skosf02b.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213184751.N41297@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <94136a2c0812131010p648d1a81q54f62bb3e1a61026@mail.gmail.com> <20081213200315.A44344@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <1229234226.18610.109.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081214110312.V48606@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <4ad871310812140207r178560c1nf166d2adcbe5f698@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4ad871310812140207r178560c1nf166d2adcbe5f698@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig6370D7BBCF80122869B2BEB7" X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:::1]); Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:43:34 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.2/8754/Sun Dec 14 03:28:03 2008 on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: Wojciech Puchar , Da Rock , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:43:47 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig6370D7BBCF80122869B2BEB7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Glen Barber wrote: > On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 5:03 AM, Wojciech Puchar > wrote: >>> You remind me of a tech I once worked with who thought all customers >>> were stupid. Maybe they were... >> the difference is that FreeBSD is free software. >> >> or is not? >=20 > How is that relevant? >=20 The tech was being paid to do a job, so he really was contractually oblig= ed to be nice to the customers. FreeBSD isn't under any sort of obligation,= contractual or otherwise to do anything. Well, apart from the exceptions where developers have been hired or given= grants to implement bits of functionality, or companies have decided to t= ask their employees with developing FreeBSD drivers[*]. Even so, while the obligation of any individual may not be directly to the FreeBSD project i= tself, the result is effectively just that. Not to mention the moral obligation that developers accept to debug and m= aintain the code that they give to the project. Sure, no one can demand that a d= eveloper drop everything and /fix/ /this/ /now/ but most developers, most of the t= ime, will respond extremely quickly to well-formed bug reports concerning thei= r areas of interest. The difference is the degree and nature of the motivation to work on Free= BSD related things. Ideally developers are self-motivated. They do it becau= se they want to, not because they have to or because they won't get paid if = they don't[+]. It's not an entirely black and white distinction -- after al= l, employees aren't slaves. If they really can't stand being nice to the id= iot customers, they always have the option of seeking alternative employment.= =20 Cheers, Matthew [*] I'm thinking of the Intel NICs that Jack Vogel maintains in particula= r here. [+] Although being paid to do what you would be doing anyhow is always ni= ce. --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig6370D7BBCF80122869B2BEB7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREIAAYFAklE41QACgkQ8Mjk52CukIwdxwCfX4u+flrsW8YD8mxHsx/pHcqS 2MMAnR1U7Bbddo0XEuKYrk51mGJ634dV =l6Wz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig6370D7BBCF80122869B2BEB7--