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(ppp-22.43.dialinfree.com [209.172.22.43]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 23sm15204934iwn.3.2010.01.01.20.43.54 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 01 Jan 2010 20:43:58 -0800 (PST) Sender: "J. Hellenthal" Message-ID: <4B3ECF05.8020904@DataIX.net> Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 23:43:49 -0500 From: jhell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.5) Gecko/20091204 Thunderbird/3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kevin Oberman References: <20100102012156.9B9CB1CC0B@ptavv.es.net> In-Reply-To: <20100102012156.9B9CB1CC0B@ptavv.es.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Ed Schouten , stable@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Hackers , Oliver Pinter Subject: Re: something fails with svn X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 04:44:15 -0000 On 1/1/2010 8:21 PM, Kevin Oberman wrote: >> Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 19:20:54 -0500 >> From: jhell >> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org >> >> On 1/1/2010 6:24 AM, Ed Schouten wrote: >>> * jhell wrote: >>>> With those remarks I will leave it up to your honed skills to figure out. >>> >>> If you don't have anything constructive to say, please refrain from >>> responding to any message on these lists. The purpose of these lists is >>> to help each other. >>> >> >> You know really... I did not see anything that you have replied with to >> be constructive criticism "At all". >> >> And personally if you really want to reply with remarks of "Would you >> mind sharing your findings Sherlock Holmes" You can then keep your >> comments to your self as I do not find them useful and my name is not >> Sherlock Holmes. >> >> Secondly I would expect a much more intelligent remark to come from >> someone with your background but I guess that comes with age. >> >> So my suggestion in constructiveness to you would be to think harder >> before you critique a post of the very same nature as the one you posted. >> >> As regards to the OP the email was meant as a confirmation to the author >> that the problem did lye on his end and that by paying closer attention >> to "the paths" that were displayed in the OP would have revealed the >> problem. > > OK. I will try to say something "constructive". > > You seem to think that "clever", useless comments make you look good. As > someone who has been working with FreeBSD and the FreeBSD community for > a long time, all you really do is make yourself look juvenile, arrogant, > and rude. You are a prime example of why many people approaching the > FreeBSD community for help claim that we are an arrogant and rude bunch. > That's great and all but have you read the reply that I had originally made to the OP. It does not "seem" like it from your comments. > The information content of your messages approaches zero. Maybe the > problem is trivial and obvious to you. Maybe it would be to Ed, if he > could spot it. Now, if you have never missed an obvious bug until you > asked someone why the code would not work, you are either truly > exceptional (along with the adjectives listed above) or have written > little or no code of your own. > > Please either provide reasonable assistance when responding to questions > or don't reply at all. No one likes a smart ass, > Reasonable assistance I think that was pretty reasonable, I do not recall anyone paying something for anything I have said and it seemed to me that he was asking for more of a confirmation. > I do not like smart asses either, which in turn is why I am still replying to comments about the followup and why I don't know that I feel I should have to defend my self on this matter. For one: The followup that I had made as I already stated was confirming the problem was on his end and in no way that I see was offending, maybe I could have choose different words but that does not relieve the response I had received after from Ed. For two: If you want to call someone something call them by the respective name or email address that they have spoken with. I do not ever recall naming Ed anything other than his own name nor anyone else. As spoken do on to others as you would do onto your self. I repeat my name is not Sherlock Holmes. Thirdly: Constructive ? there was nothing non-constructive about the followup I had made. I have missed plenty of things in the past and would never claim otherwise and the information that I offered certainly was not complete but was meant not to be, and not in a critiquing manner. -- jhell