From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 12 08:01:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA09032 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 08:01:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gatekeeper.itribe.net (gatekeeper.itribe.net [209.49.144.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA09024 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 08:01:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709121456.KAA17804@gatekeeper.itribe.net> Received: forwarded by SMTP 1.5.2. Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 11:04:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Jamie Bowden To: Aled Morris cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ATTN Emacs users; new Zile release In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 12 Sep 1997, Aled Morris wrote: > On Thu, 11 Sep 1997, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > > Hmmm... I for one would not want it to be the standard editor. Vi is > > > and always has been the standard editor for unix. I think it should > > > > I think you misunderstand. This doesn't replace vi and never did. > > ee is a *different* editor, for a different audience, and the fact > > that you symlink it to vi on your own box is completely and utterly > > irrelevant to that fact. :) > > I wish EE's default was Emacs keybindings though - rather than "yet > another" set of made-up keystrokes [aside: OK, flame me, they're standard > from some popular package with which I am not familiar, right?] > > Many other apps use Emacs keybindings (X programs for example) so it is > useful for newbies to at least get used to the "standard". > > In the style of this thread: "the first thing I do after installing > FreeBSD for a newbie is > echo 'emacs noexpand nomargins' >>/usr/share/misc/init.ee Does anyone here actually get the point that a newbie can't use emacs anymore than they can use vi? I hate ee as much as the rest of you, but it's small, and it tells the newbie which keys do what, which vi and emacs don't do. Jamie Bowden System Administrator, iTRiBE.net Abusenet: The Misinformation Superhighway