Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:22:08 -0700 From: "Aaron Namba" <aaron@namba1.com> To: "Lamont Granquist" <lamont@scriptkiddie.org>, "Sung Nae Cho" <sucho2@quasar.phys.vt.edu> Cc: <freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: RE: Is FreeBSD more secure than Windows NT or Windows 2000? Message-ID: <NEBBKJCBCMINPHLGKLHDCEJPHGAA.aaron@namba1.com> In-Reply-To: <20010721160436.K76974-100000@coredump.scriptkiddie.org>
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This is a couple days old by now, but for the record, yes, there is a program that is standard amongst Windows NT/2000 systems integrators that will reset your admin password in a jiffy. Very handy. Also, I'm not sure about this password during reinstall. I've reinstalled NT and 2000 many times without being prompted for a password or losing access to my files later. Maybe the MSDN versions are different. Watch your backups too with 2000 machines... like a lot of systems, access to the backups means permissions-free access to the data. Anyway, I expect that this thread is done with, having used both fairly extensively, FreeBSD is better, because knowing exactly what is wrong is always better than never being sure if there is something wrong. On my Windows systems, I can never tell because Microsoft doesn't really like to release news about exploits if they don't have a patch available yet... -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Lamont Granquist Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 4:14 PM To: Sung Nae Cho Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is FreeBSD more secure than Windows NT or Windows 2000? yeah, okay, too much caffeine, too little sleep, too little food... sorry... for future reference, though, you should probably tone it down a bit when you're asking about O/S comparisons that are likely to produce kneejerk responses. comparing Microsquish and FreeBSD security is probably one of those topics. also to try to add a bit of information to this reply, I believe there's a utility which someone sells for a few hundred bucks which will let you boot from floppies and reset the local admin password on a Win2K box. for WinNT there are freeware utilities out there which will let you do this. for both of them there are freeware utilities which will let you boot from a floppy and read the NTFS partition (particularly to get/edit the NT equivalent of the password file). and of course there's also l0phtcrack... On Sat, 21 Jul 2001, Sung Nae Cho wrote: > Huh? > > I didn't think my previous message was offensive to anyone, no? Maybe > people ought to learn to read the messages with complete attention before > start throwing flames at each other! Or even consider reading the > follow ups..... > > > Sung N. Cho > > > > > > On Sat, 21 Jul 2001, Lamont Granquist wrote: > > > > > On Sat, 21 Jul 2001, Sung Nae Cho wrote: > > > Simply reinstalling Windows NT will not let you read someone else's > > > file. > > > > yeah, so just rip the drive out, stick it into a FBSD box and mount it > > using NTFS. > > > > the "security" feature of NT where it tries to make sure that you have a > > login on the box to be able to do anything is really, really annoying. I > > managed to lock myself out of my laptop (switched from domain to workgroup > > and lost my cached domain credentials) and didn't have a local admin > > password and couldn't fucking change the password. It was, of course, > > more than trivial to dual boot into FBSD and mount the partition under > > NTFS and get at all my files. But there's no tools out there to hack the > > new active directory passwords and the tools for hacking the old SAM files > > didn't work on W2K. So, the reportcard on W2K security in this way is > > that it gets a big F- on security *and* gets a big F- on administrative > > utility. FreeBSD at least acknowledges that you don't have any security > > when you're on the console and lets you do administrative tasks with the > > proper incantations. > > > > and this isn't appropriate for freebsd-stable. take your trolling > > elsewhere please. > > > > > Now I think that's being secure all the way. > > > > you have no clue about security, go away. > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
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