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------=_NextPart_000_0354_01BFB542.2C136200-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 3 19: 5:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E475837BF08; Wed, 3 May 2000 19:05:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA16499; Thu, 4 May 2000 01:38:27 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 01:38:26 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Sheldon Hearn Cc: Nik Clayton , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SSH not in Handbook table of contents Message-ID: <20000504013826.A16269@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20000429171658.I706@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> <516.957349157@axl.ops.uunet.co.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <516.957349157@axl.ops.uunet.co.za>; from sheldonh@uunet.co.za on Wed, May 03, 2000 at 12:19:17PM +0200 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, May 03, 2000 at 12:19:17PM +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > On Sat, 29 Apr 2000 17:16:58 +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > > > Correct on both counts, I think. Could you file a PR about this with > > the new "wish list" category? Cheers. > > Woah. The "wish" category isn't ready for prime time yet. It's > intended for PR's that have been submitted with no solutions for the > problems they report. It's not? Isn't "We need to write a section about ssh in the handbook" a wish list item? N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 3 19: 6: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B33B37BF41; Wed, 3 May 2000 19:06:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA27287; Thu, 4 May 2000 03:04:30 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 03:04:30 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Sean Kelly Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG, jim@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Credit where it's due Message-ID: <20000504030430.A21461@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <000001bfb49e$f2a33d40$24d39580@jpl.nasa.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <000001bfb49e$f2a33d40$24d39580@jpl.nasa.gov>; from kelly@ad1440.net on Tue, May 02, 2000 at 04:36:41PM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ *not* speaking with the Manager's hat on ] On Tue, May 02, 2000 at 04:36:41PM -0700, Sean Kelly wrote: > So, I want to know: is this the new policy for documentation submitted to > the FreeBSD project? Whoever last edits it gets complete credit? I think it's policy not to have a policy. It's not really come up before. > If it isn't the new policy, then what is? Should we say there's an > implicit BSD license applied to material submitted? For example, do we > want adomonitions such as "This documentation contains text written by Joe > Blow" appearing in our preface? Not sure. To give you an analogy, one of the things that really throws me everytime I see a Linux box booting up is the various copyrights as the boot probes go by. I'd never expect to see a [...] fxp0: rev 0x05 int a irq 10 fxp0: Driver written by David Greenman [...] in FreeBSD. I kind of feel the same way about the Handbook -- it's why there's no explicit credit for me in makeworld.html (although, oddly enough, there is one in the PPP chapter for some reason). Having said that, I can completely see your point about public credit being a good and useful thing. On the third hand, I don't want a situation whereby there's a honking big piece of text at the front of every chapter listing everyone who's ever submitted a patch to it. On the fourth hand, nor do I particularly want the job of deciding whether someone's contribution is ``significant'' enough for a credit in the documentation (as opposed to the CVS logs). That way lies madness. Perhaps a workable solution would be an "acknowledgements" block at the start of the Handbook (and/or FAQ), something like: The FreeBSD Documentation Project would like to acknowledge the work of the following individuals. * John Fieber, Documentation Project Manager, 1995-98 * Jun Kuriyama, principle liason, Japanese translation team * Sean Kelly, author of much of the material in the _Printing_ chapter and so on, and so forth, with no ``in chapter'' credits. Thoughts? N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 3 21:50: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 511C137BFA4 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 21:50:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id VAA34721; Wed, 3 May 2000 21:50:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 492FD37BFA8 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 21:42:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id VAA33895; Wed, 3 May 2000 21:42:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Message-Id: <200005040442.VAA33895@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 21:42:12 -0700 (PDT) From: bobj@atlantic.net To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/18379: Information on SSH hard to find in Handbook Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 18379 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Information on SSH hard to find in Handbook >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed May 3 21:50:01 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Bob Johnson >Release: n/a >Organization: >Environment: n/a >Description: The FreeBSD Handbook (as of 3 May 00) at http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/ does not list SSH in the Table of Contents, although other security tools such as SSL are in the TOC. This makes it difficult for someone reading the Handbook to locate information on SSH, even though the information is there. >How-To-Repeat: Read the Table of Contents for the Handbook. Also look at Section 8.3, "Securing FreeBSD" (including its subsections), and note that it contains a fair amount of information on SSH. >Fix: Although a complete solution would require re-writing part of the handbook, an adequate interim solution would be to rename Section 8.3 from "Securing FreeBSD" to "Securing FreeBSD: SSH and Other Tools" (or some similar title that mentions SSH). >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 3 21:51:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from berlin.atlantic.net (berlin.atlantic.net [209.208.0.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FBE237BF99; Wed, 3 May 2000 21:51:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bobj@atlantic.net) Received: from mail.atlantic.net (mail.atlantic.net [209.208.0.71]) by berlin.atlantic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA08016; Thu, 4 May 2000 00:55:16 -0400 Received: from atlantic.net (ocalflifanb-as-1-r1-ip-231.atlantic.net [209.208.28.231]) by mail.atlantic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA10411; Thu, 4 May 2000 00:51:01 -0400 Message-ID: <391100E7.966B7512@atlantic.net> Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 00:47:36 -0400 From: Bob Johnson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nik Clayton Cc: Sheldon Hearn , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SSH not in Handbook table of contents References: <20000429171658.I706@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> <516.957349157@axl.ops.uunet.co.za> <20000504013826.A16269@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nik Clayton wrote: > > On Wed, May 03, 2000 at 12:19:17PM +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > > On Sat, 29 Apr 2000 17:16:58 +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > > > > > Correct on both counts, I think. Could you file a PR about this with > > > the new "wish list" category? Cheers. > > > > Woah. The "wish" category isn't ready for prime time yet. It's > > intended for PR's that have been submitted with no solutions for the > > problems they report. > > It's not? Isn't "We need to write a section about ssh in the handbook" > a wish list item? I don't know about the "wish" category, but: Perhaps, at least as a short term solution, changing the section title for Section 8.3 ("Securing FreeBSD") to "Securing FreeBSD: SSH and Other Tools" or something like that would do the trick. That way, someone looking through the TOC for information on SSH would be able to find it. I went ahead and submitted the above suggestion (the title change for section 8.3) as a PR, although not in the "wish" class. If you also want me to suggest a re-write to split SSH out into its own section, I'll be glad to submit that as a sort of beta test of the "wish" class... By the way, I'm traveling and don't have the complete text of my original posting with me. I hope my PR adequately addressed my original complaint ;) I didn't know about the "wish" category before, but now that I look at the PR page (at 900 bps :( ) I see that it is not a "category", but instead is a "class". I can't report it simultaneously as a "doc-bug" and a "wish", which how I would categorize it. It seems to me (after admittedly brief thought) that "wish" ought to be a category rather than a class. -- Bob To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 3 22:52:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from axl.ops.uunet.co.za (axl.ops.uunet.co.za [196.31.2.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D42237BA88; Wed, 3 May 2000 22:52:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.ops.uunet.co.za) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.ops.uunet.co.za) by axl.ops.uunet.co.za with local-esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 12nEYY-000BRj-00; Thu, 04 May 2000 07:52:14 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Nik Clayton Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SSH not in Handbook table of contents In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 04 May 2000 01:38:26 +0100." <20000504013826.A16269@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 07:52:14 +0200 Message-ID: <44002.957419534@axl.ops.uunet.co.za> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 04 May 2000 01:38:26 +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > It's not? Isn't "We need to write a section about ssh in the handbook" > a wish list item? Indeed it is, but I'm waiting for Steve Price to apply my patch which teaches edit-pr to ask why the Class was changed. Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 4 5: 0: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B891D37BE99 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 05:00:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id FAA85187; Thu, 4 May 2000 05:00:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from hcshh.hcs.de (hcshh.hcs.de [194.123.40.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E515437BDFC for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 04:56:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hm@hcs.de) Received: from hmpc.hcs.de([192.76.124.120]) (1234 bytes) by hcshh.hcs.de via sendmail with P:smtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 13:55:53 +0200 (CEST) (Smail-3.2.0.104 1998-Nov-20 #1 built 1998-Dec-11) Received: by hmpc.hcs.de (Postfix, from userid 100) id 5367C19A7; Thu, 4 May 2000 13:54:46 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20000504115446.5367C19A7@hmpc.hcs.de> Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 13:54:46 +0200 (CEST) From: hm@hcs.de Reply-To: hm@hcs.de To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/18385: Handbook: Some ISDN cards not supported in 4.x Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 18385 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Handbook: Some ISDN cards not supported in 4.x >Confidential: no >Severity: serious >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu May 4 05:00:01 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Hellmuth Michaelis >Release: FreeBSD 4.0 >Organization: >Environment: FreeBSD 4.0 >Description: In http://www.freeBSD.org/handbook/install-hw.html the following cards are mentioned to be supported in 4.x, but they are only supported in 3.x: AVM Fritz!Card PCMCIA AVM Fritz!Card PnP ITK ix1 micro ITK ix1 micro V.3 There is a chance that they might be supported in fut >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: Mark them as unsupported for FreeBSD >= 4.x in the handbook. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 4 8:15:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mf004.infoweb.ne.jp (mf004.infoweb.ne.jp [210.131.99.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40ACC37B760; Thu, 4 May 2000 08:14:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fwhs0864@mb.infoweb.ne.jp) Received: from LEE00550 by mf004.infoweb.ne.jp (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W-10/13/99) with SMTP id XAA12218; Thu, 4 May 2000 23:51:51 +0900 Message-ID: <004d01bfb5d8$b6ccc620$ecf7dbca@LEE00550> From: "MNAYURI" To: Subject: =?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCMj5FUE8/JE8jNTduIzEjNUZ8JF4kRyEqOiMkSiRpQUAkKCRrGyhC?= =?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCN248fSMxIzIjMCMwS3whKhsoQg==?= Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 23:50:35 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0049_01BFB623.8B53D1A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01BFB623.8B53D1A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit $BFMA3%a!<%k$rAw$i$;$FD:$$$?$3$H$r?<$/$*OM$S$$$?$7$^$9!#(B $B6=L#$N$J$$J}$O$*5v$7$/$@$5$$!#$3$N$^$^:o=|$7$F$/$@$5$$!#(B $B$?$$$X$s?=$7Lu$4$6$$$^$;$s$G$7$?!#(B $B!a!a!a!a!a!a!a!a!a!a!a!a!a!a!a!a!a!a!a!a!a!a!a!a!a!a!a!a(B $B7n<}#1#2#0#0K|1_$N2DG=@-$b$"$k%S%C%0$J>pJs$r$*EA$($7$^$9!#(B $B#37n#3#1F|$+$i#57n#1#5F|$^$G2>EPO?EPO?$K;22C$G$-$k%i%9%H%A%c%s%9$G$9(B! 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------=_NextPart_000_0049_01BFB623.8B53D1A0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 4 8:41:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from atlrel2.hp.com (atlrel2.hp.com [156.153.255.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A1C237BF75 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 08:41:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from darrylo@sr.hp.com) Received: from postal.sr.hp.com (postal.sr.hp.com [15.4.46.173]) by atlrel2.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5D7B14E5 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 11:41:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mina.sr.hp.com (root@mina.sr.hp.com [15.4.42.247]) by postal.sr.hp.com with ESMTP (8.8.6 (PHNE_17190)/8.7.3 TIS 5.0) id IAA02934 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 08:40:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (darrylo@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mina.sr.hp.com with ESMTP (8.9.3 (PHNE_18979)/8.7.3 TIS 5.0) id IAA29639 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 08:40:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005041540.IAA29639@mina.sr.hp.com> To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Credit where it's due Reply-To: Darryl Okahata In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 04 May 2000 03:04:30 PDT." <20000504030430.A21461@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 1.5) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 08:40:57 PDT From: Darryl Okahata Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nik Clayton wrote: > To give you an analogy, one of the things that really throws me everytime > I see a Linux box booting up is the various copyrights as the boot probes > go by. I'd never expect to see a > > [...] > fxp0: rev 0x05 int a irq 10 > fxp0: Driver written by David Greenman > [...] > > in FreeBSD. This issue just popped up yesterday on slashdot. For a view from the peanut gallery, check out, "Advertising in Your Boot Sequence?": http://slashdot.org/articles/00/05/03/0843228.shtml > Perhaps a workable solution would be an "acknowledgements" block at the > start of the Handbook (and/or FAQ), something like: Another good place would be an appendix, especially if the list grows large. I think giving credit is a good idea, although it should be unobtrusive. A paragraph in the introduction, or some appendix in the back, are good places. -- Darryl Okahata darrylo@sr.hp.com DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Agilent Technologies, or of the little green men that have been following him all day. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 4 9: 2:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.surf1.de (mail.Surf1.de [194.25.165.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0529937C119; Thu, 4 May 2000 09:02:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@cichlids.com) Received: from cichlids.com (p3E9D38DD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [62.157.56.221]) by mail.surf1.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA20907; Thu, 4 May 2000 16:59:46 +0200 Received: from cichlids.cichlids.com (cichlids.cichlids.com [192.168.0.10]) by cichlids.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8706BAC2C; Thu, 4 May 2000 18:05:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from alex@localhost) by cichlids.cichlids.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20330; Thu, 4 May 2000 18:01:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from alex) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 18:01:04 +0200 From: Alexander Langer To: Nik Clayton Cc: Sean Kelly , doc@FreeBSD.ORG, jim@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Credit where it's due Message-ID: <20000504180104.B20120@cichlids.cichlids.com> References: <000001bfb49e$f2a33d40$24d39580@jpl.nasa.gov> <20000504030430.A21461@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000504030430.A21461@catkin.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@FreeBSD.ORG on Thu, May 04, 2000 at 03:04:30AM +0100 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 28 CA 4C 46 5B D3 A8 A8 E3 BA F3 4E 60 7D 7F X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thus spake Nik Clayton (nik@FreeBSD.ORG): > and so on, and so forth, with no ``in chapter'' credits. I prefer "in chapter" credits. It lets you also direclty contact the author for background questions or other stuff, e.g. corrections. Alex -- I need a new ~/.sig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 4 9:45:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from fellspt.charm.net (fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8447E37C0ED for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 09:45:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dutch@charm.net) Received: from charm.net (coretel-184-131.charm.net [162.33.184.131]) by fellspt.charm.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA01641; Thu, 4 May 2000 12:43:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39119541.7F140F88@charm.net> Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 16:20:34 +0100 From: Dutch Collins X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Darryl Okahata Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Credit where it's due References: <200005041540.IAA29639@mina.sr.hp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Darryl Okahata wrote: > > Nik Clayton wrote: > > > To give you an analogy, one of the things that really throws me everytime > > I see a Linux box booting up is the various copyrights as the boot probes > > go by. I'd never expect to see a > > > > [...] > > fxp0: rev 0x05 int a irq 10 > > fxp0: Driver written by David Greenman > > [...] > > > > in FreeBSD. > > This issue just popped up yesterday on slashdot. For a view from > the peanut gallery, check out, "Advertising in Your Boot Sequence?": > > http://slashdot.org/articles/00/05/03/0843228.shtml > > > Perhaps a workable solution would be an "acknowledgements" block at the > > start of the Handbook (and/or FAQ), something like: > > Another good place would be an appendix, especially if the list > grows large. > > I think giving credit is a good idea, although it should be > unobtrusive. A paragraph in the introduction, or some appendix in the > back, are good places. > > -- > Darryl Okahata > darrylo@sr.hp.com > > DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not > constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Agilent Technologies, or > of the little green men that have been following him all day. I saw the slashdot stuff, read some too. So, here it is from the reader's point of view. Oh, ALL I want is device and version. I don't need a bunch of distraction from drivers or kernels. [note: I almost got fired for putting a "done by" name code in an EPROM boot msg once but times do change. "booting v1.0a system (by:DEC/1980)" was sort of what I remember. SO; (a) the major writer (author, editor?) should get "up front" billing. example: How I killed my system and how to keep from doing it! by:name or mail address. The guys that helped the writer can go to the end. Is this not normal? I would not mind because I "helped" and was acknowledged. And the manual does not suffer. (b) Software when booting should give diagnostics, read the code or the manual if one wants to know who created/wrote/edit/printed. Just what I think. Someday even I will send some good info in and for sure it will get modified. Back to today's problem now.... -d +-------- Get your free UNIX here http://www.freebsd.org Brought to you by "a bunch of people" and your local mail server. NOTE: May you not have to bring down the mail servers 'cause of the "outlook bug of the day:"I Love ...." +----------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 4 10:50:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com (tungsten.btinternet.com [194.73.73.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0697337B835 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 10:50:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org) Received: from [213.1.152.227] (helo=parish.my.domain) by gadolinium with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 12nOxP-0006W2-00 for doc@freebsd.org; Thu, 4 May 2000 17:58:36 +0100 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish.my.domain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00375 for doc@freebsd.org; Thu, 4 May 2000 17:59:21 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 17:59:20 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Porter-handbook not being built Message-ID: <20000504175920.A299@parish> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is there any reason why the porter-handbook doesn't get built when building all the docs? There is no SUBDIR+= porter-handbook line in /usr/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/Makefile. If I run make in the porter-handbook sub-dir I get: parish# cd /usr/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/porter-handbook parish# make /usr/local/bin/jade -V html-manifest -ioutput.html -c /usr/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/porter-handbook/../../../share/sgml/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl/modular/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/jade/catalog -d /usr/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/porter-handbook/freebsd.dsl -t sgml /usr/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/porter-handbook/book.sgml /usr/local/bin/jade:/usr/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/porter-handbook/book.sgml:2144:25:X: reference to non-existent ID "PORTS-CD" /usr/local/bin/jade:/usr/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/porter-handbook/book.sgml:823:34:X: reference to non-existent ID "POLICIES-MAINTAINER" /usr/local/bin/jade:/usr/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/porter-handbook/book.sgml:2045:51:X: reference to non-existent ID "CVSUP-CONFIG" /usr/local/bin/jade:/usr/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/porter-handbook/book.sgml:1348:43:X: reference to non-existent ID "POLICIES-SHLIB" /usr/local/bin/jade:/usr/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/porter-handbook/book.sgml:330:56:X: reference to non-existent ID "CONTRIB-GENERAL" /usr/local/bin/jade:/usr/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/porter-handbook/book.sgml:2081:23:X: reference to non-existent ID "CONTRIB-GENERAL" /usr/local/bin/jade:/usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl/modular/html/dblink.dsl:201:1:E: XRef LinkEnd to missing ID 'CVSUP-CONFIG' *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/porter-handbook. parish# Yet all the HTML docs get made; I can load index.html in Netscape and read the whole handbook? -- ...and on the eighth day God created UNIX ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 4 12: 6:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from po4.wam.umd.edu (po4.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18DF837C23A; Thu, 4 May 2000 12:06:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from howardjp@wam.umd.edu) Received: from rac10.wam.umd.edu (root@rac10.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.150]) by po4.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24551; Thu, 4 May 2000 15:06:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rac10.wam.umd.edu (sendmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rac10.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA18863; Thu, 4 May 2000 15:06:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rac10.wam.umd.edu (howardjp@localhost) by rac10.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18858; Thu, 4 May 2000 15:06:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200005041906.PAA18858@rac10.wam.umd.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: rac10.wam.umd.edu: howardjp owned process doing -bs To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Article on Ports Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 15:06:33 -0400 From: James Howard Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey, for my tech writing class, I had to describe a mechanical process. So I wrote about the Ports Collection :) I generalized it as much as possible, I thought about sending it to Linux Journal or somewhere else telling Linux-geeeks how much better FreeBSD is. Any feedback on where I should send it or on the article itself would be appreciated. Unfortunetly, I only have a Postscript rendition available right now. You can download it from http://www.james-howard.com/introports.ps Let me know what you think. Thank you and Enjoy! Jamie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 4 14:57:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (baerenklau.de.freebsd.org [195.185.195.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35FDA37C311 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 14:57:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id XAA18240 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Thu, 4 May 2000 23:57:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by paula.panke.de.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.8.8) id TAA00969 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Thu, 4 May 2000 19:31:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wosch) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 19:31:05 +0200 From: Wolfram Schneider To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: mexican website for freebsd [samoy@the-shell.com: ] Message-ID: <20000504193105.A951@paula.panke.de.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ----- Forwarded message from Mark Thiessen ----- From: "Mark Thiessen" To: Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 08:26:17 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 Hello there, My name is Mark Thiessen, and I live in Mexico. I have registered the freebsd.org.mx domain, and was wondering if there was a way that I could become the mexican website for freebsd. I would love to mirror your spanish page. Can you please send me information on what i would have to do, to become the mexican, spanish site for freebsd. Thank You Kindly Mark Thiessen Admin The-Shell.com http://www.the-shell.com ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Wolfram Schneider http://wolfram.schneider.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 4 16:51: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BB9B37B66A; Thu, 4 May 2000 16:51:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29270; Thu, 4 May 2000 16:52:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: James Howard Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Article on Ports In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 04 May 2000 15:06:33 EDT." <200005041906.PAA18858@rac10.wam.umd.edu> Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 16:52:57 -0700 Message-ID: <29267.957484377@localhost> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hey, for my tech writing class, I had to describe a mechanical > process. So I wrote about the Ports Collection :) This is pretty good! If you fleshed it out just a bit more, say took the user through the process of creating a new port, I think it would be full-fledged article and definitely something you could get into a magazine. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 4 18:40: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 544EB37B6AF for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 18:40:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id SAA60072; Thu, 4 May 2000 18:40:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 605E637B5DA for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 18:30:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id SAA59120; Thu, 4 May 2000 18:30:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Message-Id: <200005050130.SAA59120@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 18:30:40 -0700 (PDT) From: gad@eclipse.acs.rpi.edu To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/18391: Minor fixes to 3 web pages at www.freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 18391 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Minor fixes to 3 web pages at www.freebsd.org >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu May 4 18:40:01 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Garance A Drosehn >Release: irrelevent >Organization: RPI; Troy NY >Environment: >Description: At http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/synching.html#CVSUP the list of tags should include the tags for 4.0-release, and tag=RELENG_4 . It should also probably describe 4 as "freebsd-stable", not 3. At http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/printing-lpd-alternatives.html the web site URL for lprNG is listed as ftp://dickory.sdsu.edu/pub/LPRng/ it should be changed to: http://www.astart.com/lprng/LPRng.html Also, I think that PLP is completely gone, or at least the links to it on that web page are no longer valid. I sent a message to someone who seems to be the last person to have worked on it, to find out for sure. And last but not least, At http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/contrib-additional.html I (me, garance) am listed as 'gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu'. The 'its' changed to 'acs', so it should be 'gad@eclipse.acs.rpi.edu'. The 'its' address still works, but it's a cname to the 'acs' hostname and it will disappear at some point. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 5 1:48:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63F4637B6DF for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 01:48:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: from kilt.nothing-going-on.org (kilt.nothing-going-on.org [192.168.1.18]) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA00853; Fri, 5 May 2000 02:37:25 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik@catkin.nothing-going-on.org) Received: (from nik@localhost) by kilt.nothing-going-on.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA48385; Fri, 5 May 2000 01:59:02 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik@catkin.nothing-going-on.org) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 01:59:02 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Mark Ovens Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Porter-handbook not being built Message-ID: <20000505015902.A48362@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20000504175920.A299@parish> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000504175920.A299@parish>; from mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org on Thu, May 04, 2000 at 05:59:20PM +0100 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, May 04, 2000 at 05:59:20PM +0100, Mark Ovens wrote: > Is there any reason why the porter-handbook doesn't get built when > building all the docs? Two reasons. 1. Satoshi requested a repo-copy to preserve the history, so that's happening. 2. I'm still kicking around how to get the links working properly. Because it was originally part of the handbook there are and elements in there that now don't point anywhere useful. We could a) remove them b) replace them with s c) use the element. It seems to be the most SGMLish solution. I'm trying to get (c) working, but not getting very far -- I think there's something amiss in my understanding, but I'm not sure where. If anyone else wants to jump in then please do. The reason I don't want to use (b) is that you can only do that if you know the Porter's Handbook and the ``main'' Handbook are going to appear in the same place in a directory tree relative to one another. We can't do that (or, at least, I don't want to impose that as a restriction when installing the docs), and as I say, I *think* (c) solves that problem. > parish# cd /usr/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/porter-handbook > parish# make > /usr/local/bin/jade -V html-manifest -ioutput.html -c /usr/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/porter-handbook/../../../share/sgml/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl/modular/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/jade/catalog -d /usr/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/porter-handbook/freebsd.dsl -t sgml /usr/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/porter-handbook/book.sgml > /usr/local/bin/jade:/usr/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/porter-handbook/book.sgml:2144:25:X: reference to non-existent ID "PORTS-CD" > /usr/local/bin/jade:/usr/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/porter-handbook/book.sgml:823:34:X: reference to non-existent ID "POLICIES-MAINTAINER" > /usr/local/bin/jade:/usr/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/porter-handbook/book.sgml:2045:51:X: reference to non-existent ID "CVSUP-CONFIG" > /usr/local/bin/jade:/usr/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/porter-handbook/book.sgml:1348:43:X: reference to non-existent ID "POLICIES-SHLIB" > /usr/local/bin/jade:/usr/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/porter-handbook/book.sgml:330:56:X: reference to non-existent ID "CONTRIB-GENERAL" > /usr/local/bin/jade:/usr/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/porter-handbook/book.sgml:2081:23:X: reference to non-existent ID "CONTRIB-GENERAL" > /usr/local/bin/jade:/usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl/modular/html/dblink.dsl:201:1:E: XRef LinkEnd to missing ID 'CVSUP-CONFIG' > *** Error code 1 That's the missing link targets. > Yet all the HTML docs get made; I can load index.html in Netscape and > read the whole handbook? Not quite. Hunt for something that should be a link to somewhere in the Handbook. You'll see that the link text is missing. If I don't get my head wrapped around by the end of next week then I'll turn on the build -- in the mean time people can commit to the copy in the big Handbook, and I'll make sure that the changes are merged over as necessary. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 5 8: 0:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu (bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu [128.226.1.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D660937BB93 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 07:59:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from zzhang@cs.binghamton.edu) Received: from sol.cs.binghamton.edu (sol.cs.binghamton.edu [128.226.123.100]) by bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA16743 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 10:59:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 10:59:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Zhihui Zhang To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Submit document about sysctl mechanism Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello: I have written a document describing the sysctl mechanism in FreeBSD 4.0. It also contains a picture. This document is written with Microsoft Word and is about 7 pages. Since I am not good at converting it to HTML format (save as HTML format does not work well) and have not enough time right now to learn how to do this, I am willing to send the document to someone in charge of this kind of thing. If you think the article is worthwhile, you can put it under handbook, tutorial, diary, etc. Regards, -Zhihui To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 5 8:10: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBA8E37B7E6 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 08:10:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id IAA07062; Fri, 5 May 2000 08:10:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 08:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005051510.IAA07062@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Garance A Drosehn Subject: Re: docs/18391: Minor fixes to 3 web pages at www.freebsd.org Reply-To: Garance A Drosehn Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/18391; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Garance A Drosehn To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: docs/18391: Minor fixes to 3 web pages at www.freebsd.org Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 11:09:18 -0400 I heard back from Justin Mason, who used to do some work on PLP. He says that no one has worked on it in years, and it is definitely a dead project (superceded by LPRng), so we should remove any references to it in favor of LPRng. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.acs.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 5 8:40:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from pan.ch.intel.com (pan.ch.intel.com [143.182.246.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CCC937BC13 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 08:40:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com) Received: from sedona.intel.com (sedona.ch.intel.com [143.182.218.21]) by pan.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.25 2000/05/05 13:47:24 dmccart Exp $) with ESMTP id IAA00834; Fri, 5 May 2000 08:39:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from hip186.ch.intel.com (hip186.ch.intel.com [143.182.225.68]) by sedona.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: sendmail.cf,v 1.10 2000/02/10 21:38:16 steved Exp $) with ESMTP id IAA25446; Fri, 5 May 2000 08:39:51 -0700 (MST) X-Envelope-From: jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com Received: (from jreynold@localhost) by hip186.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: client.m4,v 1.3 1998/09/29 16:36:11 sedayao Exp sedayao $) id LAA11680; Fri, 5 May 2000 11:39:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: hip186.ch.intel.com: jreynold set sender to jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com using -f From: John Reynolds~ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14610.60231.319163.834507@hip186.ch.intel.com> Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 08:39:51 -0700 (MST) To: Zhihui Zhang Subject: Re: Submit document about sysctl mechanism In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under Emacs 20.3.11 Cc: doc@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ On Friday, May 5, Zhihui Zhang wrote: ] > > Hello: > > I have written a document describing the sysctl mechanism in FreeBSD 4.0. > It also contains a picture. > > This document is written with Microsoft Word and is about 7 pages. Since > I am not good at converting it to HTML format (save as HTML format does > not work well) and have not enough time right now to learn how to do this, > I am willing to send the document to someone in charge of this kind of > thing. If you think the article is worthwhile, you can put it under > handbook, tutorial, diary, etc. > > Regards, > > -Zhihui Send the .doc to me. I can't promise to convert it to SGML but I have a few tricks to play here at work when converting .doc to HTML. -Jr -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | John Reynolds WCCG, CCE, Higher Levels of Abstraction | | Intel Corporation MS: CH6-210 Phone: 480-554-9092 pgr: 602-868-6512 | | jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com http://www-aec.ch.intel.com/~jreynold/ | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat May 6 3:54:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3501237B5E2 for ; Sat, 6 May 2000 03:54:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA46550; Sat, 6 May 2000 11:47:16 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 11:47:14 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Paul Southworth Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: example for section 11.3.2 Message-ID: <20000506114713.A45573@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from pauls@etext.org on Tue, May 02, 2000 at 05:11:17AM -0400 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, May 02, 2000 at 05:11:17AM -0400, Paul Southworth wrote: > Section 11.3.2 of the handbook concludes with: > > "(XXX add an example command)" > > Here is such an example: > > tar cf - . | rsh komodo dd of=/dev/nrsa8 obs=20b Thanks. A (small) variation on this is being committed now. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat May 6 7: 6: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from lucifer.bart.nl (lucifer.bart.nl [194.158.168.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66D7A37B736 for ; Sat, 6 May 2000 07:06:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@lucifer.bart.nl) Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by lucifer.bart.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA79325; Sat, 6 May 2000 16:05:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 16:05:58 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven To: Ron Verbossen Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Translation Message-ID: <20000506160558.A79195@lucifer.bart.nl> References: <001201bfb1f5$fca467c0$2e01a8c0@stanenron> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <001201bfb1f5$fca467c0$2e01a8c0@stanenron>; from ron-asupervisor@intra.wish.net on Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 06:14:25PM +0200 Organisation: VIA Net.Works The Netherlands Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, -On [20000429 18:20], Ron Verbossen (ron-asupervisor@intra.wish.net) wrote: >I was just wondering if anybody is translating anything into Dutch >already??? Best bet would be the NLFUG mailinglist(s). There was some discussion about this and I volunteered to be the committer whom would add it to the /usr/doc repo. IIRC you can use majordomo@nlfug.nl to register. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven Network- and systemadministrator VIA Net.Works The Netherlands BSD: Technical excellence at its best http://www.via-net-works.nl The descent to hell is easy... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat May 6 8:31:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from njord.bart.nl (njord.bart.nl [194.158.170.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CD4637B56D; Sat, 6 May 2000 08:31:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org (abaddon@lucifer.is.an.elder.of.the.ninth-circle.org [195.38.216.226]) by njord.bart.nl (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA27120; Sat, 6 May 2000 17:31:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA35326; Sat, 6 May 2000 17:31:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 17:31:21 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: doc@freebsd.org Cc: committers@freebsd.org Subject: Developer's handbook suggestion Message-ID: <20000506173121.I16612@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Reply-To: doc@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [Please honour the reply-to... committers is cc:'d due to the vision thread and such inspiring me to write this down.] Ok, I am all for committing it to the repo so that we can add stuff already. =) However I am not particulary happy with the current ordering of the chapters as per http://people.freebsd.org/~nik/developer-handbook/index.html. This is an attempt to get it more in a logical order. I basically took Nik's URL, mine at http://home.wxs.nl/~asmodai/pdp, and a ton of books to come up with a decent order. So I propose the following layout: [NOTE: the text between the [] denote some topics to be discussed in that respective chapter, but they obviously need more general sub-chapters to position them under. Suggestions welcome.] I. Introduction [This will need to discuss FreeBSD as a development platform, the vision of BSD, architectural overview, layout of /usr/src, history, etc] II. Basics [This will include things like: compilation, makefiles, .mk files, basic debugging, linking, secure programming guidelines, style(9), CVS, diff, patch, etc] III. Kernel [Some history of the Unix/BSD kernel, system calls, how do processes work, blocking, scheduling, threads (kernel), context switching, signals, interrupts, modules, etc] IV. Memory and Virtual Memory [VM, paging, swapping, allocating memory, testing for memory leaks, mmap, vnodes, etc] V. I/O System [UFS, FFS, Ext2FS, JFS, inodes, buffer cache, labeling, locking, metadata, soft-updates, LFS, portalfs, procfs, vnodes, memory sharing, memory objects, TLBs, caching VI. Interprocess Communication [Signals, pipes, semaphores, message queues, shared memory, ports, sockets] VII. Networking [Sockets, bpf, IP, TCP, UDP, ICMP, OSI, bridging, firewalling, NAT, switching, etc] VIII. Network Filesystems [AFS, NFS, SANs etc] IX. Terminal Handling [Syscons, tty, PCVT, serial console, screen savers, etc] X. Sound [OSS, waveforms, etc] XI. Device Drivers [old ways, newbus, character/block devices, etc] XII. Architectures [Detail the (major) differences between IA-32, IA-64, PPC, ARM, Sparc, Alpha, etc] XIII. Debugging [various descriptions on how to debug certain aspects of the system using truss, ktrace, gdb, kgdb, etc] XIV. Compatibility Layers [Linux, SVR4, etc] Comments? -- Jeroen Ruigrok vd Werven/Asmodai asmodai@[wxs.nl|bart.nl|freebsd.org] Documentation nutter/C-rated Coder BSD: Technical excellence at its best The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project If I promise you the Moon and the Stars, would you believe it..? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat May 6 11: 6:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from astart2.astart.com (astart2.astart.com [206.71.174.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C052637BC9C; Sat, 6 May 2000 11:06:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from papowell@astart.com) Received: from h4.private (papowell@h4.private [10.0.0.4]) by astart2.astart.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA43872; Sat, 6 May 2000 11:10:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from papowell@localhost) by h4.private (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22366; Sat, 6 May 2000 11:06:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 11:06:22 -0700 (PDT) From: papowell@astart.com Message-Id: <200005061806.LAA22366@h4.private> To: asami@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Building a porters handbook Cc: ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 22 22:51:04 2000 > To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG > Cc: ports@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Building a porters handbook > From: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami) > Date: 22 Apr 2000 22:50:22 -0700 > .... > > * Per an earlier discussion on -doc, I'd like to pull section 4.4 of the > * Handbook ("Making a port yourself") out of the Handbook and in to a > * new "Porter's Handbook". > > That sounds like a good idea. > > Please put a link to the new handbook in the original handbook though, > there are many documents (including some printed ones) that refer to > "http://www.FreeBSD.org/handbook/porting.html" and we don't want > people who go there to get "not found". > > * It's believed that most readers of the Handbook won't be creating ports, > * so this section is 60 or so pages they'll not need. In the Handbook it > * can be replaced with "If you would like to learn more about the ports > * systems, or would like to create a port and submit it to the project, > * please see the _Porter's Handbook_". > > Does this mean that the porters guide section doesn't get published > anymore, or is it going to be published as a separate book? > > * I'll do this mechanically (so the translators won't have much work to do). > > Thanks. BTW, please ask the cvs-meisters for a repository copy so we > won't lose history. > > * In the future, I expect that some of the port's specific stuff in the > * "Committer's Guide" (damn, should've called it the "Committer's Handbook") > * can migrate here as well, as can any nitty-gritty ports details that > * you might have thought to be inappropriate for the Handbook. > > No, the (new) porter's handbook is for people creating or upgrading > ports, not committers. The stuff in the committer's guide is > something that is specific to committers and committers are required > to read the committer's guide every now and then. For the benefit of > people who only commit ports once in a while (and work elsewhere most > of the time), I think they should be kept separate. > > Satoshi > As a person who has to port/translate/run stuff on multiple different systems, I plead with you to keep all of the documentation in the same publication. Putting the 'making a port' stuff in another document simply makes it HARDER to find this information in a printed form. Patrick Powell Astart Technologies, papowell@astart.com 9475 Chesapeake Drive, Suite D, Network and System San Diego, CA 92123 Consulting 858-874-6543 FAX 858-279-8424 LPRng - Print Spooler (http://www.astart.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat May 6 13: 3: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rock.ghis.net (rock.ghis.net [209.222.164.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A97A237BD22 for ; Sat, 6 May 2000 13:03:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from will@blackdawn.com) Received: from argon.blackdawn.com (02-134.dial.008.popsite.net [209.69.195.134]) by rock.ghis.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA55626 for ; Sat, 6 May 2000 13:03:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by argon.blackdawn.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 53EA11918; Sat, 6 May 2000 16:02:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 16:02:54 -0400 From: Will Andrews To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Developer's handbook suggestion Message-ID: <20000506160254.L55274@argon.blackdawn.com> References: <20000506173121.I16612@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000506173121.I16612@daemon.ninth-circle.org>; from asmodai@wxs.nl on Sat, May 06, 2000 at 05:31:21PM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, May 06, 2000 at 05:31:21PM +0200, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > However I am not particulary happy with the current ordering of the > chapters as per > http://people.freebsd.org/~nik/developer-handbook/index.html. This is > an attempt to get it more in a logical order. I basically took Nik's > URL, mine at http://home.wxs.nl/~asmodai/pdp, and a ton of books to come > up with a decent order. I would love to see the PDP take off as an officially endorsed documentation project in the repository, as it would help bring new src hackers to the FreeBSD team! Unfortunately, most coders don't feel like actually writing documentation, so doc-foos have to extract information about X, Y, or Z function and where it gets information, etc. I myself am guilty of this ubiquitous problem. :) of course, cxref, doc++, and a few other things help simplify the job... -- Will Andrews GCS/E/S @d- s+:+>+:- a--->+++ C++ UB++++ P+ L- E--- W+++ !N !o ?K w--- ?O M+ V-- PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP+>+++ t++ 5 X++ R+ tv+ b++>++++ DI+++ D+ G++>+++ e->++++ h! r-->+++ y? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat May 6 15:25:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C69137B946; Sat, 6 May 2000 15:25:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07632; Sat, 6 May 2000 18:26:57 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 18:26:56 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Paul Richards Cc: Wes Peters , Will Andrews , Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami , Jeffrey Hsu , committers@FreeBSD.org, doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: English character variations Message-ID: <20000506182656.A98137@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Reply-To: doc@freebsd.org References: <20000504102932.8227C37B726@hub.freebsd.org> <20000505114226.V1642@argon.blackdawn.com> <391360B6.419DCA@softweyr.com> <39140BE9.2BBB56B2@originative.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <39140BE9.2BBB56B2@originative.co.uk>; from paul@originative.co.uk on Sat, May 06, 2000 at 01:11:21PM +0100 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ FU to -doc ] On Sat, May 06, 2000 at 01:11:21PM +0100, Paul Richards wrote: > Wes Peters wrote: > > Plus, this way we could load a fontset that has an "o" character for > > Canadian and American English and an "ou" character for UK and Aussie > > English and finally! use a consistent "flavour" of the word "color" in > > our documentation. > > We could do that in the SGML anyway, create an entity that was &ou; and > depending on the language mapping produce a "o" or a "ou", I guess you > could create &sz; as well and use it similarly. NO. [ OK, I know, you're joking, but there's a reason why the "English" docs are in en_US.ISO_8859-1. If we started using British spellings, those docs would go in en_GB.ISO_8859-1. . . ] How inconsistent are we? A grep for "colour" in the Handbook shows no matches, and one for "flavour" shows one match. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat May 6 20:44:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from iisp.inet.co.th (iisp.inet.co.th [203.154.204.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58EFE37B5D8 for ; Sat, 6 May 2000 20:44:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from webmaster@iisp.inet.co.th) Received: from inet ([203.154.204.7]) by iisp.inet.co.th (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA00301 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 10:51:52 +0700 (ICT) (envelope-from webmaster@iisp.inet.co.th) Message-ID: <000701bfb7d6$8a619ac0$07cc9acb@inet.inet> From: "sunthon" To: Subject: =?windows-874?B?1XVwZ3JhZGUgZnJlZWJzZA==?= Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 10:44:24 +0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BFB811.3610F8E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.31 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.31 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BFB811.3610F8E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-874" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My name is sunthon tanpume. 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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BFB7A5.4C1CB5A0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat May 6 22: 1:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3030F37B6AC; Sat, 6 May 2000 22:01:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id OAA55703; Sun, 7 May 2000 14:30:36 +0930 (CST) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 14:30:36 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: sunthon Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D5upgrade_freebsd?= Message-ID: <20000507143035.A55316@freebie.lemis.com> References: <000701bfb7d6$8a619ac0$07cc9acb@inet.inet> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <000701bfb7d6$8a619ac0$07cc9acb@inet.inet> Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sunday, 7 May 2000 at 10:44:24 +0700, sunthon wrote: > My name is sunthon tanpume. I'm a technichian at a small isp in thailand. > And my isp are use freebsd 2.2.8 it very old, How can to upgrade to current > freebsd version are safety. i does not have somuch experience about freebsd. > because i know only linux but it doesnot the same. Please tell me. Well, to start with you send this kind of question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org. I've forwarded it there, so you don't need to do it again. 2.2.8 is rather old. You might be safer reinstalling and copying your data across. Maybe somebody else has an alternative. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message