From owner-svn-src-all@freebsd.org Wed Nov 15 19:39:17 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-all@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 058F0DE5144; Wed, 15 Nov 2017 19:39:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@komquats.com) Received: from smtp-out-so.shaw.ca (smtp-out-so.shaw.ca [64.59.136.138]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 90DC8776C8; Wed, 15 Nov 2017 19:39:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@komquats.com) Received: from spqr.komquats.com ([96.50.22.10]) by shaw.ca with SMTP id F3WheBDIpss4TF3WieiGR9; Wed, 15 Nov 2017 12:39:14 -0700 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=JuuBlIwC c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=jvE2nwUzI0ECrNeyr98KWA==:117 a=jvE2nwUzI0ECrNeyr98KWA==:17 a=sC3jslCIGhcA:10 a=YxBL1-UpAAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=ghCMsGqu1Re7tgU2mp4A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=eTeS-WSJqRoRYljW_LMA:9 a=ld09iq1loR9lGL95:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=Ia-lj3WSrqcvXOmTRaiG:22 a=IjZwj45LgO3ly-622nXo:22 Received: from [25.172.23.131] (unknown [24.114.41.222]) by spqr.komquats.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 657C829A; Wed, 15 Nov 2017 11:39:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Cy Schubert Subject: RE: svn commit: r325828 - head/usr.bin/fortune/datfiles Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 11:39:10 -0800 To: Benno Rice , Jeremie Le Hen CC: src-committers , "svn-src-all@freebsd.org" , "svn-src-head@freebsd.org" Message-Id: <20171115193910.657C829A@spqr.komquats.com> X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfHkfEPz2wvSUk/8L/BhlMTxf5zG9XtbYesigTbMIq1jiEYtAxvWOuTS9Ctidrg5zApx0oUHSV5DGbX6/bRsofSrar+TwKVMbmq7XgHaFGOp6VD+w2r4S AlOmsCxYL1fTqOCU+UH6t5rcjbI885rc3PDil03lLaGpZi3ajvk8RFHGgIOkdTFR5jr/gnb2A5w26xokn8WeY7GcyQ572S0pykyPoJxGII8UzeJv8FiD8tz3 +09KDzwSDRd9oMN6G/y8M1aO3uU0LTVlNMFfrwrE0YMJuaRb9v6UEPOmuwr/wt2lCcBtKZTSjuI6ikga6R7MYw== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 19:39:17 -0000 Tips become stale and can be themselves contentious. Just consider our bike= sheds. Besides, people should read the handbook anyway. Let's simply remov= e fortune altogether. --- Sent using a tiny phone keyboard. Apologies for any typos and autocorrect. Cy Schubert or --- -----Original Message----- From: Benno Rice Sent: 15/11/2017 08:58 To: Jeremie Le Hen Cc: src-committers; svn-src-all@freebsd.org; svn-src-head@freebsd.org Subject: Re: svn commit: r325828 - head/usr.bin/fortune/datfiles On Nov 15, 2017, at 06:54, Jeremie Le Hen wrote: Hi Benno, On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 10:18 PM, Benno Rice wrote: Author: benno Date: Tue Nov 14 21:18:30 2017 New Revision: 325828 URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/325828 Log: Remove all fortune datfiles except freebsd-tips. Humour is a funny thing. What is funny to one person is not funny to all people. What is insightful to one person is similarly not universal. The fortune datfiles have been around a long time and have undoubtedly amused people but it's time to acknowledge their subjective, and in some cases at least potentially offensive, nature and stop distributing them with the imprimatur of the FreeBSD project. Sorry to ask, I'm only loosely following the project, but was this discussed somewhere? It was raised to core but I decided to take unilateral action. That=E2=80= =99s not an indication of any disagreement in core per se, I just made the = call that in the light of finding Hitler quotes in the file, and the fact t= hat there were still files clearly marked as offensive in the Makefile, tha= t trying to be the editors of humour is not something we=E2=80=99re really = cut out for and that we should get out of the game. I put the MFC timer on = it so that if anyone wants to mount an argument as to why they should stay = they can. If anyone wishes to distribute these via other mechanisms they are welcome= to check them out of history and do so. I don't think there's any rule saying that, but I know people are usually happy to have a replacing port. As you removed them, can I please ask you do this? Personally I feel that this is the kind of thing that doesn=E2=80=99t need = to live on. I won=E2=80=99t be making a port of it. If someone else wants t= o distribute these then they can. Thanks, Benno.=