From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 24 21:18:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from smtp2.cybersurf.net (smtp2.cybersurf.net [209.197.145.112]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64D3B14BEB for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:18:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from 01031149@3web.net) Received: from 01031149 ([209.197.155.194]) by smtp2.cybersurf.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with SMTP id FLQMR800.V8A; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 22:18:44 -0700 Message-ID: <000801bf370c$decd6080$c29bc5d1@01031149> From: "Duke Normandin" <01031149@3web.net> To: "Greg Lehey" Cc: Subject: Re: Programmers' editor? Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 22:15:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Greg... [you said...] OK, I've said my piece here, and I disagree entirely. But it's not up to me; I've been using Emacs and similar editors for 20 years. The real question is: what do newbies think? Anybody want to comment? [now here's my 0.2....] I've broken the *nix ice --- with an old version of Linux Slackware. Nothing fancy -- no X. I've got freaking "broken pipes" ; can't get the printer going; "less"ing every frigging thing that I see; and "man"ed the whole bloody fs. OK -- so I'm going uphill! Be-that-as-it-may, IMHO, the last thing a newbie with a throbbing headache, pissed off and zero patience left, needs is to launch himself straight hell with vi or vim or jove. Then i discovered joe --- no screaming hell, but friendlier, cuz now I have a help menu at the top so that i can at least exit in 10 seconds, instead of hitting every key/key-combo. Now please, folks don't take offense -- vi/vim, emacs et al are all probably great for you guys with all that experience. Bottom line for a simple, effective, newbie text-editor --- something like joe or DOS edit. I'm in; I'm out --bingo, bango "printcap" is modified and my bald-spot is no wider. Printer still doesn't work -- but what the hell. Note: -- I used the above -- out-dated software notwithstanding -- merely to make my point. Once I learn enough *nix, I'll install FBSD and will most likely be pleasantly surprised - and won't be such a pain-in-the-d'ariel - oops- I mean derriere! I'm outta here --- back to man setterm -- I hate white-on-black. I fell like I'm in a funeral parlor :-) BTW, Greg -- thanks for your comments/suggestions re FBSD UGs! later......duke -duke To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message