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Date:      Fri, 27 Jul 2012 11:24:28 -0300
From:      joaoBR <joao@matik.com.br>
To:        Warren Block <wblock@wonkity.com>
Cc:        freebsd-x11@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: 2/3D rendering cards
Message-ID:  <20120727112428.742eaa62@pop1.hm.net.br>
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Em Fri, 27 Jul 2012 06:49:23 -0600 (MDT)
Warren Block <wblock@wonkity.com> escreveu:

> On Fri, 27 Jul 2012, joaoBR wrote:
>=20
> >>> well all ati cards are PCIe and are supported, question is what
> >>> capabilities they have with FreeBSD and new xorg-serevr
> >>
> >> UMS is used for cards up to the 4000 series, but the driver wants
> >> KMS for newer cards.  I mention PCIe because it may make a
> >> difference, I also have PCI and AGP versions of various ATI cards.
> >>
> >
> > do I understand this right? are you saying what you say "the driver
> > wants" or that newer cards do understand KMS?
> >
> > for my understandings so far is no point to use xorg-server
> > WITH_KMS (for ati) since ati cards are still not working with it
>=20
> For 4000- or lower series cards, the radeon driver still can use UMS,
> or KMS if available.  For 5000- and higher series cards, KMS is
> required for either 3D acceleration (a few cards) or to work at all.
> Later versions of the driver may remove UMS support for all cards,
> which will make them useless until FreeBSD has ATI KMS support.
>=20

thanks for clarification
in other words, the DRIVER requires KMS but since it is not available
for any ATI card so far, it still is useless for ATI users. It only
still works because the driver still accept UMS.

what eventually means that ATI users should not upgrade to newer xorg
until this situation change



>=20
> > I think DontZap makes no sense anymore because it does not zap
> > anymore with either setting ... does it work for you?
>=20
> Yes, but only because 'setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp' is
> in my .xinitrc.  Default is to have the option enabled but no key set
> to activate it.
>=20

I will check this out


>=20
> > so last question, kind of useless but do you use kde4? Is openGL
> > (DesktopEffects) enabled and running fine?
>=20
> No, I don't use KDE, it's just too much for me.  xfce4 with
> compositing enabled so windows to go transparent when dragging.

well, not so bad at all, xRender does transparency in KDE4 :)


thanks!

--=20


Jo=E3o Martins (JoaoBR)

Infomatik Development Team
http://wipserver.matik.com.br
+55 11 4249.2222



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