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Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 15:33:50 -0700
From: Alfred Perlstein <bright@wintelcom.net>
To: David Scheidt <dscheidt@enteract.com>
Cc: Shadi Fazelian <sh_fazelian@yahoo.com>, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject: Re: please hellllllllllllp me!
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* David Scheidt <dscheidt@enteract.com> [000522 14:30] wrote:
> On Mon, 22 May 2000, Alfred Perlstein wrote:
> 
> > * Shadi Fazelian <sh_fazelian@yahoo.com> [000522 02:31] wrote:
> > > Hello.
> > > please guide me:
> > > 1- how I can see a hidden file (not dot file) and how
> > > I can hidden a file ?
> > >  my mean: I want make a file that ls -al can't see it.
> > 
> > impossible(*) afaik.
> 
> dscheidt@shell-2 ~ 536$ ls -al | grep .snapshot
> dscheidt@shell-2 ~ 537$ ls -al .snapshot
> total 60
> drwxrwxrwx   2 root      wheel   4096 May 22 15:01 .
> drwxr-xr-x  15 dscheidt  dialin  8192 May 22 15:51 ..
> drwxr-xr-x  15 dscheidt  dialin  8192 May 22 14:58 hourly.0
> drwxr-xr-x  15 dscheidt  dialin  8192 May 22 13:52 hourly.1
> drwxr-xr-x  15 dscheidt  dialin  8192 May 22 13:00 hourly.2
> drwxr-xr-x  15 dscheidt  dialin  8192 May 22 10:52 hourly.3
> drwxr-xr-x  15 dscheidt  dialin  8192 May 19 16:34 nightly.0
> drwxr-xr-x  15 dscheidt  dialin  8192 May 19 16:34 nightly.1
> dscheidt@shell-2 ~ 538$ 
> 
> doesn't count then?  This is a directory NFS-mounted from a NetApp.  The
> .snapshot directory is a lifesaver, and support cost cutter.

If the netapp doesn't honor readdir requests properly then it's
breaking unix semantics.

Netapp is broken, there's no reason to intentionally hide this
directory from readdir.

-Alfred


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