Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 11:58:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Chet Hosey <chosey@nidhog.com> To: <bv@wjv.com> Cc: Enno Davids <enno.davids@metva.com.au>, <freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: Re: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named Keep crashing) Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.31.0104041146040.32350-100000@web1.nidhog.com> In-Reply-To: <20010404114052.D23799@wjv.com>
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It seems that anymore, common network tools are seen as malware. Life would be much simpler in a world where you could use finger, VRFY worked, nmap could be legitimately used to determine what a host supported, and sheep had nothing to worry about. It's not idiots, or security holes, or solar radiation that plagues the 'Net. There is simply a lack of courtesy towards others. How many kiddies have ever seriously administered a machine? Everybody should start with a *nix running on a publicly accessable box. (Note: Linux doesn't count here, except possibly really old versions of Slackware. Damned RH makes things too easy. No X either - CLI, people!) ________________________________________________________________________ Chet Hosey <chosey@nidhog.com> ________________________________________________________________________ On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Bill Vermillion wrote: > On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 05:45:48PM +1000, Enno Davids thus spoke: > > > | > Is there any way to trace who is doing it? | > Running tcpdump > > with certain filter settings to avoid logging everything and > > filling the disk? > > > > | Dont bother... Just install the fixed version of bind... > > | Every kid with a script and an internet connection is probably > > | doing this to you!!! > > > This response kind of bothers me. There was a time > > when everytime I could sanely trace spammers I emailed > > abuse@wherever.was.relevant to advise them. Similarly, when people > > probed Apache I'd send off adivsory emails. > > If you find a way this works let me know. I've given up doing this > because except for the most well known, I've received rejects from > all mail addresses at the offending provider, root,abuse, > postmaster, webmaster, etc. So I just gave up and put the in > the REJECT list. > > Those days responsible people, and not quick buck artists, we're > keeping the 'net running. > > > There was a time when if you probed the Apache on my machine it > > winnuke'd you back. Moral issues aside, there _was_ a great deal > > of satisfaction there... Needless to say, there's little mileage > > in this now (damned M$ service packs!). :) > > I never was into 'revenge' or 'tit-for-tat'. > > Bill > -- > Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message
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