From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 11 00:17:21 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7562106566C for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 00:17:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kensmith@buffalo.edu) Received: from localmailD.acsu.buffalo.edu (localmailD.acsu.buffalo.edu [128.205.5.208]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9AB48FC15 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 00:17:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localmailD.acsu.buffalo.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id B109F19F6D for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 20:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localmailD.acsu.buffalo.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localmailD.acsu.buffalo.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04DABC1847 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 20:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mweb2.acsu.buffalo.edu (mweb2.acsu.buffalo.edu [128.205.5.239]) by localmailD.acsu.buffalo.edu (Prefixe) with ESMTP id F3004C1802 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 20:17:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ken-smiths-macbook-pro.local (unknown [24.114.252.231]) by mweb2.acsu.buffalo.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD6A2207A9 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 20:17:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4BE8A20C.3010708@buffalo.edu> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 20:17:16 -0400 From: Ken Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <201005101636.o4AGa2pF053050@fire.js.berklix.net> In-Reply-To: <201005101636.o4AGa2pF053050@fire.js.berklix.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-PM-EL-Spam-Prob: : 8% Subject: Re: FreeBSD Release 8.0 floppy images X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 00:17:21 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 5/10/10 12:36 PM, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > I'd suggest it would be good to commit & post a comment why removed. > It will later affect rescue capability of some older servers when > they get upgraded, (I guess many/most legacy production servers > still are 7.*, at least till 8.1 comes out). When I started down the pathway to removing them it was with the intention of removing *all* mention of floppies as part of system installation. There are quite a few things it would be really nice to rip out of sysinstall (they're hindering other progress) that are there because of floppies. We figured it had reached the point progress on making sysinstall better (or at least less annoying) in various ways being hindered by floppy support wasn't in the majority of peoples' best interest. It turned out progressing on that isn't going as well as hoped, pc98 has stronger ties to floppies than was originally thought. So, after turning off the building of floppies things got a bit stalled on the removal of what I'll call "floppy-isms" in sysinstall. It's still the basic path we'd like to follow, it's just slowed down a bit. As for building them at all goes... It turns out that by mistake (a system doing automated release builds on a regular interval) we discovered that building them now fails due to another of the handful of reasons we wanted to abandon floppies goes (above mentioned ripping out of stuff was just one). Most of the floppies involved can go multi-volume if necessary (e.g. the mfs floppy can span more than one physical floppy) but the 'livefs' one can't and it recently started overflowing. Those reasons combined with the fact I can't even test them any more all combined to convince the developer community 8.0 was a reasonable point to let floppy support fall by the wayside. - -- Ken Smith - - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkvoogwACgkQ/G14VSmup/bC3ACfbuczpAnz1FuC3gzzSWa3BM3I TPsAnRE/KnBwM2v9akXNuQJJmtJGnBF6 =p7a/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----