Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 20:52:00 +0000 (GMT) From: Paulo Cesar Pereira de Andrade <paulo@fiscodata-pr.netpar.com.br> To: Nate Williams <nate@mt.sri.com> Cc: Damon Permezel <dap@damon.com>, Stephen Wynne <stevemw@northwest.com>, java@FreeBSD.ORG, java-port@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Crashes with Swing 1.0.1 and Lesstif 0.82/port Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.980304200041.214A-100000@demonio.inferno> In-Reply-To: <199803042049.NAA11466@mt.sri.com>
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On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, Nate Williams wrote: > > > Perhaps you understand why I eventually decided that the $$ invested in > > > a copy of Motif would be well spent. > > > > I'm yet to learn java, but have some coments here. Please, don't depend > > on commercial products. > > Java is a commercial product if you *really* want to split hairs. Ok. Most of what I know about java is by listening this list. But I'm being very conservative, only interested in know what is going on. That was just a comment/feedback. After this mail I will go back to my cave. > > I don't have anything against Xig (they are very friendly and > > helpfull to customers), but need to say, their FreeBSD products > > are too old. > > Too old? Hmm, a bit old :) The first thing I noticed when installing it was that it broke my Imakefiles, it had dependencies on libXExExt (or something like it, that is known to be a bit old). > > I've buyed their Motif and XServer hopping to learn Motif and see a > > 'Real X Server'. At least on my S3 board, XFree is faster, and > > *even* uses HW cursor. > > At leats on my S3 board, their 3.1 server *kills* it in terms of > performance, and is less buggy. I can also do 24bit color at 1600x1200 > with a 4MB board which I can't with XFree. Maybe my hardware is a special case. Before buying, I have tested it, and saw that FreeBSD/XFree was happy with it. > > Their libraries are broken, mostly because of the utmp/wtmp > > changes, and on my 3.0 box, even editing the binary (yes, I did it, > > because it has a lot of hardcoded resources, and is not friendly > > to -xrm args). > > XIG doesn't support 3.0. Heck, does XFree86 support 3.0? I wouldn't I like to look at the console and see: XFree86 Version 3.3.1 / X Window System ... Operating System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386 ... It does not complain to build :) > expect any commercial vendor to support a moving target like -current. > I don't run it on any of my boxes that are for 'general' use, and I'm a > developer. :) I'm not a freebsd developer :( but only runs -current in my personal machine, at home. > > I never could get Xsetup -graphics to work, only Xsetup -text. It > > prints some messages that cannot load some font's and core-dumps. > > Did you contact their tech. support about this? Did you download the > patch for Xsetup from their WWW/ftp site? > > > Also, in one of the latest CERT's I've read, it appears that Accel X > > uses a bug in *BSD to get write permission's in /dev/mem. When it is > > fixed, current versions of AccellX will not work anymore. > > Except that they will (hopefully) provide a patch for this. There just > like any vendor (including FreeBSD). When bugs are found fixes take > time to get integrated/tested and put into the tree. FreeBSD hasn't > even fixed it yet. > > > I hope all the problems I had are because I don't want go back to > > 2.2.1, but will not use neither Motif neither AccellX. > > Fine, but don't expect people to spend alot of time fixing something > that is so broken (LessTif) when a working solution (Motif) exists. I > have no interest in re-inventing something that works. Java is the > technology I seek, not the process of getting Java freed. I'm not asking anybody to do it. That was only an idiot(me) commenting, please disregard :) -- If I traveled to the end of the rainbow As Dame Fortune did intend, Murphy would be there to tell me The pot's at the other end. -- Bert Whitney To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message
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