From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 12 09:03:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA13241 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:03:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA13216; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:02:59 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199709121602.JAA13216@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: ATTN Emacs users; new Zile release To: jamie@itribe.net (Jamie Bowden) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:02:58 -0700 (PDT) Cc: aledm@routers.co.uk, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199709121456.KAA17804@gatekeeper.itribe.net> from "Jamie Bowden" at Sep 12, 97 11:04:26 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jamie Bowden wrote: > > On Fri, 12 Sep 1997, Aled Morris wrote: > > > In the style of this thread: "the first thing I do after installing > > FreeBSD for a newbie is > > echo 'emacs noexpand nomargins' >>/usr/share/misc/init.ee > > Does anyone here actually get the point that a newbie can't use emacs > anymore than they can use vi? I hate ee as much as the rest of you, but > it's small, and it tells the newbie which keys do what, which vi and emacs > don't do. yes, we all get the point. that's why ee as installed as the default editor. it has a help menu across the top of the screen. but why make them learn ee key-bindings, and then when they move on to a better editor force them to learn a new set of key-bindings? that's just torturing the poor unsuspecting newbie. vi key-bindings are not an option--a modal editor will confuse the daylights out of them. so lets make emacs key-bindings the system default for ee. jmb