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Date:      Fri, 10 Apr 2015 01:47:14 +0300
From:      Gleb Smirnoff <glebius@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Slawa Olhovchenkov <slw@zxy.spb.ru>
Cc:        "svn-src-head@freebsd.org" <svn-src-head@freebsd.org>, "svn-src-all@freebsd.org" <svn-src-all@freebsd.org>, Dmitry Marakasov <amdmi3@amdmi3.ru>, "src-committers@freebsd.org" <src-committers@freebsd.org>, Garrett Cooper <yaneurabeya@gmail.com>
Subject:   Re: svn commit: r281129 - head/etc
Message-ID:  <20150409224714.GD96636@FreeBSD.org>
In-Reply-To: <20150409223703.GS8220@zxy.spb.ru>
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On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 01:37:03AM +0300, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote:
S> On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 01:28:33AM +0300, Gleb Smirnoff wrote:
S> 
S> > On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 01:25:57AM +0300, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote:
S> > S> On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 01:16:32AM +0300, Gleb Smirnoff wrote:
S> > S> 
S> > S> > On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 01:04:42AM +0300, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote:
S> > S> > S> I am talk not about using or not using utf-8.
S> > S> > S> I am talk about unconditionaly forcing switch from non-utf8 to utf-8
S> > S> > S> locale (FreeBSD-11 can be get not only be fresh install but and by
S> > S> > S> freebsd-update/source update on the live systems, with bunch files
S> > S> > S> witch content in koi8 and named in koi8).
S> > S> > 
S> > S> > If content and names in KOI8 in existing installation block migration
S> > S> > to UTF-8, how would you suggest to perform migration to UTF-8?
S> > S> 
S> > S> Just create new login class, russian_utf8.
S> > S> Locale is process attribute, not system wide.
S> > S> When someone will be ready to migrate and converted
S> > S> content/names/configs -- he just change login class.
S> > S> If not need -- not changed.
S> > 
S> > When is it going to be made default?
S> 
S> What about you talk?

About default locale for Russian users. When is going to be UTF-8
by default if you were planning the migration?

S> As I see current default -- no login class, locale "C".

No, the current default is UTF-8. The previous was KOI8-R. And this
is the topic of our discussion, isn't it?

S> I don't see any scrip/tools (in base systems) for creating users and
S> ack 'language/locale for user'.

I do see.

adduser(8) asks explicitly, or you can specify it via -L argument.
chpass(1) allows to modify it, if run as super-user.

S> I don't like to remove koi8 locale from base systems (at least in 20
S> years) -- you can see discursion in -current about Win95 (created 20
S> yars ago).

It isn't removed.

-- 
Totus tuus, Glebius.



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