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In-Reply-To: <8720b6wb2e.fsf@localhost.xs4all.nl> from Peter Mutsaers at "Jan 28, 97 07:47:21 am"
To: plm@xs4all.nl (Peter Mutsaers)
Date: Sat, 1 Feb 1997 14:15:05 +0100 (MET)
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Peter Mutsaers writes:
>> > On Mon, 27 Jan 1997 15:42:04 +0100 (MET), Greg Lehey
>> > <grog@lemis.de> said:
>
>     GL> Well, to be fair, Gary Jennejohn replied and told me that this
>     GL> related to ppp, which I don't use.  I think the problem there
>     GL> is that not many people use ppp over here, so it's not
>     GL> surprising that it's taking a long time.
>
> Yes, that is the problem for most people. I'm surprised that you don't
> use PPP! Here all ISP's offer ISDN access only through syncPPP. I
> can't even think of another way. If you don't use PPP, then how do you
> get TCP/IP over ISDN?

Why should you need ppp to run IP?  None of the high-speed lines do.
They run a straight layer 2 protocol--HDLC, in the case of ISDN over
here.  ppp just adds encapsulation overhead.

Greg