From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Thu Feb 28 19:12:24 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCBE41513E6D for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2019 19:12:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ian@freebsd.org) Received: from outbound1a.eu.mailhop.org (outbound1a.eu.mailhop.org [52.58.109.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 193F882C4C for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2019 19:12:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ian@freebsd.org) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1551381134; cv=none; d=outbound.mailhop.org; s=arc-outbound20181012; b=AEoNNgt0+CoaQsSWj+XZCf2G+yInhUOn35uAIujZmsArggqH2LkZgX8C9CYwO28mMq8RUFppjXpCr sd8rQSgHmKQV26zhof7zCb2gM5GDP9r4o1RWjhJ0ibQnxME7UMdANrcPy05fHgnN0Jw0Ho3Tx5vu4P fMHwVAigN23PUEIrKYLy434/NEI7xnho+LQ0XxDb5eb+PpmEig0k+rYNdJQ/dIS9fi++yGt1CQgpjP l8MVHrZSYySzkivW09j9Zr/ulYe8qbJvbNSd9ZK5Iw0xss2XQYP4g2sp11WdHFj5B7A64d2WQTkghJ ZOHsuJmQn3RcW3+kP4VcL7PQmGgm2Qg== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=outbound.mailhop.org; s=arc-outbound20181012; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:content-type:references:in-reply-to: date:cc:to:from:subject:message-id:dkim-signature:from; bh=ygT33yTS889o4/5bnOqpfOZ4CrznZ6sGsDB0aN/HiW8=; b=ltUD54KzKO4XR+F9DFXimZhfJdzpoPpDrLpthOlYF5jipSgd7eGjnJN0VQMxn0VOhtWo2DqGU95OH eK/TDLjUkD2bzQ6QP+x60tJoml/a3gAvZTzUue5kLLqhH8ZBOeeZq7i1P7iylBVHVgnJK4V4s0EL20 In9h/uD+6QjDAsYKReggmQcNuxe5BaEEqgxOR2xZegTkxONoqWwPnfz6FyhlBdMv6Zb0WucfrCJNJr 5IfjPjeTihmGUFbwWTz0rrgKx1VDP0GmHSK0IRr6x8mflyf4iR2dThf1rbMnVO4lmwpwrejD0EjN+L fir+M7i1+DjTKnv9cGTSReoXeCyIIRA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; outbound2.eu.mailhop.org; spf=softfail smtp.mailfrom=freebsd.org smtp.remote-ip=67.177.211.60; dmarc=none header.from=freebsd.org; arc=none header.oldest-pass=0; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=outbound.mailhop.org; s=dkim-high; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:content-type:references:in-reply-to: date:cc:to:from:subject:message-id:from; bh=ygT33yTS889o4/5bnOqpfOZ4CrznZ6sGsDB0aN/HiW8=; b=u278EC1DJrFWNPbf2efa4tRMos9BXFWvsMFvxI9ByKoFq4hrYCXkUBfr+9WgOtVzvzKPVvPD7sYqA csCrbgbc4lsmjKvIn1KvzhJuFM35+CcOe+VZTA8WBtrpASD/MWY5CCasuX67YbQjtbosKRUTh1uGRV OeJPVG8DpGcpa/xyzjPEr9AhCYfCkSNS6wICqwdyX9SpuEGeLozdnzWgXnza25qgdxqC1IYGUbDqTU tQoIGegfd4tz8ie4Dun4gINYhK5VeJJ78dTxV2XRYnI2jKfi6vvIVQSka1KWp57v2C+sc2OaNvRms5 3aNCrWrj5xzgk0e+rowBroOPGoaeEnw== X-MHO-RoutePath: aGlwcGll X-MHO-User: beff0231-3b8c-11e9-803b-31925da7267c X-Report-Abuse-To: https://support.duocircle.com/support/solutions/articles/5000540958-duocircle-standard-smtp-abuse-information X-Originating-IP: 67.177.211.60 X-Mail-Handler: DuoCircle Outbound SMTP Received: from ilsoft.org (unknown [67.177.211.60]) by outbound2.eu.mailhop.org (Halon) with ESMTPSA id beff0231-3b8c-11e9-803b-31925da7267c; Thu, 28 Feb 2019 19:12:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rev (rev [172.22.42.240]) by ilsoft.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id x1SJC9XD007656; Thu, 28 Feb 2019 12:12:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ian@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <55eb26fb977fe90e323a8721e39bfc0185d994ba.camel@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: r343567 aka PAE vs non-PAE merge breaks i386 freebsd From: Ian Lepore To: cem@freebsd.org, sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu Cc: John Baldwin , freebsd-current Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 12:12:09 -0700 In-Reply-To: References: <20190222033924.GA25285@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <20190222060410.GA25817@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <20190223032644.GA14058@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <20190223163947.GB18805@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <20190228183214.GA17372@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.28.5 FreeBSD GNOME Team Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 193F882C4C X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.00 / 15.00]; local_wl_from(0.00)[freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.996,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16509, ipnet:52.58.0.0/15, country:US] X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 19:12:24 -0000 On Thu, 2019-02-28 at 11:06 -0800, Conrad Meyer wrote: > On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 10:32 AM Steve Kargl > wrote: > > This is interesting as well. Does this mean that amd64 is now > > the only tier 1 platform and all other architectures are after > > thoughts? > > This has been the de facto truth for years. i386 is mostly only > supported by virtue of sharing code with amd64. There are efforts to > promote arm64 to Tier 1, but it isn't there yet. Power8+ might be > another good alternative Tier 1 candidate eventually. None have > anything like the developer popularity that amd64 enjoys. > > I have been of the opinion that armv[67] has met all the bullet points to be a tier-1 arch for several years, but nobody seemed interested in declaring it so. Now it'll never happen, because there seems to be growing momentum to throw everything 32-bit under the bus and declare freebsd to be a 64-bit-only OS. Netflix wins; those of us building smaller embedded products will eventually be forced to move to linux. -- Ian