Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 10:33:30 +0100 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai <asmodai@wxs.nl> To: Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@critter.freebsd.dk> Cc: committers@FreeBSD.org, current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: 4.0 code freeze scheduled for Jan 15th Message-ID: <20000107103330.A44355@daemon.ninth-circle.org> In-Reply-To: <670.947193259@critter.freebsd.dk>; from phk@critter.freebsd.dk on Thu, Jan 06, 2000 at 10:14:19PM %2B0100 References: <20000106152026.A98222@virtual-voodoo.com> <670.947193259@critter.freebsd.dk>
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-On [20000107 00:01], Poul-Henning Kamp (phk@critter.freebsd.dk) wrote: >In message <20000106152026.A98222@virtual-voodoo.com>, Steve Ames writes: > >>> On the other hand, there are *plenty* of things already in 4.0 that really >>> need to get out there and get a workout by a larger audience. >>> Delaying *them* is a big mistake. >> >>*shudder* I really, really dislike the idea of -RELEASE actually being a >>wide beta so that some code can get a workout. > >Who said anything about -RELEASE being a beta ? Some parts of a release >will always be new, but the majority of it is the same code we released >as 3.X, 2.X and even 1.X. > >We need for people to stop thinking of FreeBSD as commercial software >which comes in "natural number" style enumerable packets. While I agree with the sentiment Poul-Henning, the fact that Walnut Creek actually packages a given CVS tag as being the 4.0-RELEASE or whatever as a CD-ROM product gives it a commercial taste, no denying that. >FreeBSD style is "real number", it is a continuously evolving >quantity which every now and then passes a natural number on the >way to infinity. > >We can now spot a milestone called 4.0 and that's very nice, but we >are not going to stop, because the road goes on past 4.0. I think everyone knows that and acknowledges that, but the only thing I tasted from the multitude of mails I just read and evaluated was that people are satisfied with 4.0, but just want IPv6 support to be there, in it's most finished state as possible, and not some half-rushed thinghy which is there, but which is unusable. I think that that is only fair. BUT! Given Shin's RFC on his KAME patches and the answers he got, it almost looks like I was one of the very, very few to actually review his patches (until I got sick and all that). From those demanding IPv6 support in FreeBSD I have yet to see active testing and feedback to Shin. It seems people think the developers are here to do everything. Well, this is your wake-up call guys, it doesn't work that way. We only have the ability to use CVS on the sourcetree directly and we will do a lot of stuff out of ourselves, but we need the community to test, tinker and blow-up stuff and then report this back to the community with general ideas of how and what if you are not that much of a coder, or with patches if you can whoop them up. FreeBSD's Quality Assurance is something in which we all take place. Not just Walnut Creek or any of the committers. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai@[wxs.nl|bart.nl] Documentation nutter. *BSD: Technical excellence at its best... The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project <http://home.wxs.nl/~asmodai>; ...fools rush in where Daemons fear to tread. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
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