From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Feb 26 12:16:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from post-11.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1DFB37B400 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 12:16:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from [212.238.194.207] (helo=mailhost.raggedclown.net) by post-11.mail.nl.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16fo1a-000ExB-00 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 20:16:34 +0000 Received: from angel.raggedclown.net (angel.raggedclown.intra [192.168.1.7]) by mailhost.raggedclown.net (Ragged Clown Mail Gateway [buffy]) with ESMTP id 48AAB13040 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 21:16:34 +0100 (CET) Received: by angel.raggedclown.net (Ragged Clown Host [angel], from userid 1005) id BA1B6225C1; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 21:16:32 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 21:16:32 +0100 From: Cliff Sarginson To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.5 ISO Not consitant. I must press the issue. Message-ID: <20020226201632.GA2128@raggedclown.net> References: <200202261646.LAA01711@alpha.vaxxine.com> <02022612592103.00300@proxy.pt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <02022612592103.00300@proxy.pt.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Feb 26, 2002 at 12:59:21PM -0500, Bill Moran wrote: > On Tuesday 26 February 2002 11:46, Paul C. Boyle wrote: > > I admit I am a newbie using FreeBSD. But I enjoy the community very much. > > I was using the 4.4 install of FreeBSD for a while, I had a few buggy things > > with it like the cdplayer in KDE did not work. Not a big deal really but I > > thought practice installing from scratch is good experience. I got a friend > > to download and burn the 4.5 iso's for me since I only have a 33.6 dial up. > > My problem starts with no KDE internet utilities for dialup on the disks. > > I want to install and get up and running quickly not have to find and learn > > an new dialup tool. Man was I pissed. All of the other KDE packages were > > not on the cd's as well. > > This looks very bad for FreeBSD. > > No it doesn't. A very small percentage of people are going to be as confused > and upset as you are, and they are not the target audience for FreeBSD. > FreeBSD is targeted mainly at sysadmins and computer geeks, not so much > at the average computer user. I do not want to get embroiled in this argument, but the statement above is presumptious and in my view incorrect...and way behind the times. There have been a number of mails on this issue, which means it is one that should be taken seriously. I have no personal axe to grind on what should or should not be on the ISO images, but to proclaim as gospel who the target audience is strikes me as just a tad missing the changing times we live in. Besides which, the "geeks" and "sysadmins" who apparently are the only ones deemed to have ISO images made for them all probably have high speed cable or ADSL lines, in which case the CD issue is a non-issue for them. I suggest also that this remark contradicts the statements about FreeBSD made on both it's web sites and on the packaged distributions that are for sale. This is not to suggest that FreeBSD needs or should follow the glitzy path that Linux is on, far from it. It is to say that FreeBSD is perfectly capable of being used as *both* a home-desktop system as running some of the biggest FTP sites in the world. -- Regards Cliff Sarginson -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message