From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Mon Oct 3 13:29:52 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 047FCAC69D8 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2016 13:29:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 000.fbsd@quip.cz) Received: from elsa.codelab.cz (elsa.codelab.cz [94.124.105.4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BBA88E90 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2016 13:29:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 000.fbsd@quip.cz) Received: from elsa.codelab.cz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elsa.codelab.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6940F28581; Mon, 3 Oct 2016 15:29:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from illbsd.quip.test (ip-86-49-16-209.net.upcbroadband.cz [86.49.16.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by elsa.codelab.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 91C9428454; Mon, 3 Oct 2016 15:29:41 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: dependency explosions To: Grzegorz Junka , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: <2df71272-7b98-ad73-650a-3ec70beb71d5@freebsd.org> <19d248ae-8919-fdc9-84e8-ff90ae761e6f@gjunka.com> From: Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> Message-ID: <57F25D45.5000004@quip.cz> Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 15:29:41 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:42.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/42.0 SeaMonkey/2.39 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19d248ae-8919-fdc9-84e8-ff90ae761e6f@gjunka.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2016 13:29:52 -0000 Grzegorz Junka wrote on 10/03/2016 15:11: > > On 03/10/2016 12:14, Mathieu Arnold wrote: >> Le 01/10/2016 à 04:35, Julian Elischer a écrit : >>> There is a need for a "minimum" install of a lot of packages. >> Some dependencies are often optional, and can be unchecked by running >> make config. >> >>> Such a 'minimum' install should probably be the default when coming in >>> as a dependency, as >>> there is an increasing tendency to configure things with all the bells >>> and whistles. >> The bare minimum will never be the default. The default is what will >> fit most people, so that they can use our packages out of the box. >> > > Shouldn't all packages default to noX dependencies? If I am not mistaken > FreeBSD is predominantly a server-side system, with X running only > occasionally (I am running X but I compile all packages with poudriere). I agree. Many ports have X and -nox11 (like ImageMagick-nox11 or open-vm-tools-nox11) but there are still some without nox11 variant. But X11 is not the only one dependency problem. I think that dependency changes should be better tracked and examined before commit changes to ports tree. Miroslav Lachman