From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 21 12:53:59 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1E23106564A for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 12:53:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from avg@icyb.net.ua) Received: from citadel.icyb.net.ua (citadel.icyb.net.ua [212.40.38.140]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1190A8FC08 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 12:53:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from odyssey.starpoint.kiev.ua (alpha-e.starpoint.kiev.ua [212.40.38.101]) by citadel.icyb.net.ua (8.8.8p3/ICyb-2.3exp) with ESMTP id PAA05983; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:53:56 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from avg@icyb.net.ua) Message-ID: <4C98AAE4.9090105@icyb.net.ua> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:53:56 +0300 From: Andriy Gapon User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100909 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vadim_nuclight@mail.ru References: <201009011653.o81Grkm4056064@fire.js.berklix.net> <201009011902.06538.hselasky@c2i.net> <4C8627A6.1090308@icyb.net.ua> <4C989989.4050408@icyb.net.ua> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP: FreeBSD 6.4 and 8.0 EoLs coming soon X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 12:53:59 -0000 on 21/09/2010 15:36 Vadim Goncharov said the following: > Hi Andriy Gapon! > > On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 14:39:53 +0300; Andriy Gapon wrote about 'Re: HEADS UP: FreeBSD 6.4 and 8.0 EoLs coming soon': > >>> The Project is ultimately about the users, right? There are early signs that >>> some old FreeBSD users get tired from those changes, those removals, lesser >>> POLA adherence, marketing-not-technical-stuff for time-not-feature-based >>> releases, not so stable -STABLE as it used to be, and so on, migrating to >>> other systems. And older users are more valuable to project than newer ones. >>> May be it's time to revert to some of thet Old Good Things, if decade-long >>> project is mostly ended, while those signs are still early and not a strong >>> tendency?.. Given this thread, I've mentioned earlier about 12 messages in >>> announce@ from 2002 with such public calls for volunteers - there are several >>> years already without these. >> Hmm, it's really simple. >> If you want to shape the future of the project, then participate in the places >> where the future is shaped. If you want to know what's coming up in the future, >> then watch the places where the future is shaped. If you don't do either, you get >> what you get. Complaining post factum just doesn't work. (Numerous other >> examples and projects also demonstrate that). >> "Current", "stable" are not some alien versions of FreeBSD for some other strange >> people to use. >> Those are your future releases. >> Not looking into the future has its benefits - you are not doing anything; but it >> has costs too - you don't know your future. >> Looking into the future and shaping it has obvious costs, but the benefits are >> clear too. >> Business users and old FreeBSD users should know this best of all. >> It's strange that you try speak on their behalf but do not seem to realize these >> simple things. > > The essence of your words and your position in other letters is: > > "We are an open source project exactly the same kind like many others: > we have no [moral] responsibility to our users, we are selfish and want only > your code; give us your code and you will have the right to freedom of speech, > otherwise you're an untermensch". Please don't put your words into my mouth. I've said what I've said. Your interpretations do not interest me. Have a good life. -- Andriy Gapon