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Date:      Fri, 7 May 1999 15:31:53 -0600
From:      Oscar Bonilla <obonilla@fisicc-ufm.edu>
To:        freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: [Studded@gorean.org: FreeBSD vs. Linux under load (Was: Re: Fact or Fiction (Unix vs NT))]
Message-ID:  <19990507153153.B1195@fisicc-ufm.edu>
In-Reply-To: <37334579.335A1886@fisicc-ufm.edu>; from Otto Solares on Fri, May 07, 1999 at 01:56:41PM -0600
References:  <19990506185359.C302@fisicc-ufm.edu> <37334579.335A1886@fisicc-ufm.edu>

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sorry about this long message folks, i forwarded an email from the list to
a die hard linux friend and he completly overreacted

guess it's kind of a religion to some...

-Oscar


On Fri, May 07, 1999 at 01:56:41PM -0600, Otto Solares wrote:
> Oscar Bonilla wrote:
> > 
> > que les parece?
> > 
> > -oscar
> > 
> >   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 
> > Subject: FreeBSD vs. Linux under load (Was: Re: Fact or Fiction (Unix vs NT))
> > Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 17:41:12 -0700
> > From: Studded <Studded@gorean.org>
> > Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority
> > To: Kent Stewart <kstewart@3-cities.com>
> > CC: "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
> > References: <199904150654.XAA23108@gms.gmsnet.com> <37161B6A.BCA9C1CA@3-cities.com>
> > 
> > Kent Stewart wrote:
> > 
> > > One of the reasons I'm using FreeBSD is because I was told by many
> > > people that Linux is unstable under heavy loads and that FreeBSD
> > > isn't. Whether that is true or not, it is what many Unix people
> > > believe. My ISP went from Linux to BSDI and their system stability
> > > went up a factor of 10 from my point of view.
> > 
> >         Our *extensive* testing on this very topic has proven conclusively that
> > FreeBSD stands up under loads with thousands of simultaneous
> > connections, where linux falls down at around 800. The problem seems to
> > be in the number of file descriptors allocated per connection. My
> > personal best is 5,382 IRC users on one FreeBSD box, there are other IRC
> > servers that have done over 8,000.
> > 
> >         Some of the linux diehards on our network are still trying to make a go
> > of it, but even the latest kernels just don't hold up under heavy load.
> > They may last a day or two, but eventually something in the networking
> > layer seems to break down and the box becomes unreachable. Different
> > apps with different load patterns may differ of course, but for
> > something like ircd/ftpd/httpd FreeBSD will beat linux hands down on the
> > same hardware, every time.
> > 
> >         In fairness, this isn't all that bad of a thing really. Linux was
> > designed to be a desktop OS for having fun with unix, and BSD was
> > designed as a server platform for serious work. Each of those is a good
> > thing. Vive le difference I say. :)
> > 
> > Doug
> 
> 
> Me parece muy diahuevo, cada vez que alguien
> habla bien o mal de linux me gusta porque sienten
> su presencia, como que dicen, "PUTA ESE ES LINUX",
> que diahuevo, no es la unica noticia pura mierda de
> linux que he visto, seguramente no sera la ultima,
> lo mas diahuevo es que son muchas mas las noticia diahuevo
> que las pura mierda. (sera que a freebsd al  ponerle
> un modem nuevo y diahuevo truena a lo shuco, montano?? 
> sera que al ponerlo en una red con NIS funciona bien?
> sera que con freebsd pueden hacer un vergon Beowulf?
> http://www.beowulf.org
> sera que pueden hacer sistemas multi-head de 3d?
> sera que pueden meterle Oracle?
> sera que pueden ponerlo en casi todos los primeros lugares de 
> benchmarks de super computadoras como aparece linux? ?? ??
> http://www.haveland.com/cgi-bin/getpovb.pl?search=Parallel%3A&submit=List+all+Parallel+Results
> http://www.infoworld.com/cgi-bin/displayStory.pl?990313.whplace.htm
> http://access.ncsa.uiuc.edu/Headlines/990405.Roadrunner.html
> http://www.mercurycenter.com/svtech/news/breaking/internet/docs/350387l.htm
> http://www.infoworld.com/cgi-bin/displayStory.pl?99039.ecsuperlinux.htm
> sera que pueden meterle una super business app como
> SAP R/3?
> sera que pueden correr java y tener un JDK?
> sera que pueden portearlo a las siguientes arquitec-
> turas: Digital ARM, AP1000+ Multicomputer, DEC Alpha,
> DEC MIPS R2000/3000/4000, PDA's (ej. PalmPilot),
> ELKS (8086, 8088, x186, x286), m68k (Motorola
> 68020, 68030, 68040, 68060), MIPS ARC (Advanced Risc
> Computing), NeXT Hardware, Macintosh family, IBM PowerPC,
> Apollo DN hardware, IBM MCA (PS/2, RS/6000, AS/400),
> Tandy Family, SGI (Indys, MIPS, Intel procesador 
> hardware SGI), Sun Sparc (sun3, sun4c, sun4m, sun4d), 
> Sun ULTRASparc, Digital VAXes, obviamente Intel 386+ (ia-32)
> y el futuro Intel Merced (ia-64).
> No hombre si puta ["DICEN"] que es mas diahuevo que
> linux! Facts vs. Fiction?? Preguntomosle a IBM, SGI,
> a Sun, Intel, Oracle, Sybase, Netscape, Siemens, por
> mencionar ALGUNOS porque entonces inviertieron pisto
> (dinero, marmaja, etc.:) en linux, tal vez porque
> es muy pura mierda como ["DICEN"]?
> Sera entonces que si hace todo esto no puede con 
> grandes cargas? Sera que es un OS de desktop? 
> Si ustedes saben de algun otro sistema
> operativo que haga todo esto y ademas este creciendo
> mas que linux en popularidad 
> ( http://leb.net/hzo/data/r.9904.txt ) me
> avisan por favor, definitivamente me voy a switchear a
> ese sistema ya que definitivamente sera el mas vergon. :=)
> 
> Otto Solares
> pro-linux y que @:*&!
> solca@fisicc-ufm.edu
> 
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