From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 13 01:09:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA24356 for freebsd-questions-outgoing; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 01:09:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.cityip.co.za (ns.cityip.co.za [196.25.223.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA24346 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 01:09:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wjv@cityip.co.za) Received: from wjv by ns.cityip.co.za with local (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z6sP5-0000lJ-00; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:06:35 +0200 Message-ID: <19980813100635.C2848@cityip.co.za> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:06:35 +0200 From: Johann Visagie To: Brett Taylor , GR Gaudreau Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD or Linux? Mail-Followup-To: Brett Taylor , GR Gaudreau , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG References: <199808130009.UAA02658@hme0.mailrouter01.sprint.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Brett Taylor on Wed, Aug 12, 1998 at 08:25:55PM -0600 X-PGP: ftp://ftp.cityip.co.za/users/wjv/pubkey.asc Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 12 Aug 1998 at 20:25 SAT, Brett Taylor wrote: > > I did NOT write the above! I did. :-) > (in response to whomever I'm misquoted as above) Oh I agree, the sys > admin SHOULD be able to remove the silly default installed stuff from rc.d > tree, but he hadn't. Of course he also allowed a root compromise for a Well, the "correct" way would be to remove the symlinks from the startup/shutdown directories for the various runlevels, i.e. /etc/rc.d/rc[0-5].d This can become a rather involved process. Also, the X-based "runlevel editor" that ships with Redhat doesn't exactly make its own function clear to the newbie admin. > month so clearly he wasn't a great sys admin. The ports system in FreeBSD > does the same thing - if you install ssh you'll be running sshd. I was Maybe I'm prejudiced, but I find it easier to handle one shell script in /user/local/etc/rc.d ;) That's not the real issue, though - as you've said below. > under the impression though that the "I've never ever run Linux" install > choice for RH pretty much installed everything (I could certainly be > wrong.) > > In any case, FBSD does NOT during the initial installation install and > automatically startup things like gopherd, innd, bootpd (all which were on You're pretty much correct. If FreeBSD commited the same "sin", its easiest install option would simply have installed each and every package for you, without asking. That's more or less what RH does. Whenever I do a quick-and-dirty RH install (not in a while, thank god), I have to spend a few minutes afterwards pruning the SysV-like startup. > All of this is moot really because the sys admin SHOULD know what's > running on startup and deal with it whether it was initially installed or > he did it later. Quite so. -- V Johann Visagie | Email: wjv@CityIP.co.za | Tel: +27 21 419-7878 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message