From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 10 12:59:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62E3E16A4C7 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 12:59:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stapleton.41@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.197]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D04E43DA9 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 12:59:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stapleton.41@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id t13so1214254wxc for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 05:59:13 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HKKZNgSQFlAtHTPbIdr6gLdNVb3GmvkNSjfgJkZh8lxVdq24hAWfzvxMCrBgVeAqStSAXuRB77KxYjGTUWCzf/ZyfffsgK69FR7mG0IiyplC+SIBIq/1AJDg4qigi8BakDYV1T0ag9WgJ4qJJlOHVjj+beD04KV8OiaYKAZQy14= Received: by 10.70.117.5 with SMTP id p5mr372086wxc; Wed, 10 May 2006 05:59:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.76.10 with HTTP; Wed, 10 May 2006 05:59:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <80f4f2b20605100559y3d24304exe4552814855d9959@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 08:59:12 -0400 From: "Jim Stapleton" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, "cknipe@savage.za.org" In-Reply-To: <1147255200.4461b9a0a5e71@196.22.132.16> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <1147255200.4461b9a0a5e71@196.22.132.16> Cc: Subject: Re: OT: Torn between SCSI and SATA for RAID X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 12:59:35 -0000 I've found that scsi isn't exceptionally faster given similar RPMs, or even slightly higher RPM (ex. a 10K RPM SCSI vs. 10K RPM SATA drive would have simlar performance). However, SCSI tends to high tighter standards, and you get the following advantages, which in some cases are worth the money, and in some cases arent: (1) More reliable/accurate reads/writes (2) Longer expected lifespan My advice for reliability is a RAID-1 setup with the most cost-effective disks you can find, then use the OS to do a drive spanning so you can put them in the same mount point (when it runs to the end of a disk, it starts on the next). I'm not sure if the drive spanning is possible though - I've not looked into it, though given that Windows can do it, I don't see why FreeBSD would have trouble. If that is still too expensive, you could try RAID-5, but the problem with that is, adding new disks wouldn't be quite as easy, you may not be able to use the RAID set until you get the replacement disk, and it's not quite as fast (I could be wrong on this part) as RAID1 in the case of writes. > with a 8 Port card... Let's look at what I can achieve: > Ports 1+2: 750GB Seagates (Biggest available), 1.5TB <- I'm short on my 2= TB > Initial > Ports 3+4: Mirror of 1+2 Maybe I'm missing something, where ports 4-8 (actually, 0 + 4-7)? With 8 500GB drives, and RAID1, you should be able to get 2TB out of that (and more cost effective than 750GB drives) Have you considered using two controller cards? > nother thing that I read that I'm not completely sure about. Some of the > Adaptec SCSI Cards advertises a max of 30 devices - some even more. Excu= se the > ignorance, but does the SCSI Bus not allow for a max of 8 devices? Do th= ese > cards then feature multiple buses to connect the cables to? If so, SATA = will > obviously not be able to provide something like this. 8 devices, 1 is the controller, I think some newer busses hold 16 devices, is is the controlelr, (so 7 or 15 drives). Now, a card may have multiple busses. I have an A-Ha 39160 in my machine, and if I remember correctly it has 2 busses on it (or is it three?), I don't use it to nearly it's capacity, I just got it for the price of a 19160, and I couldn't turn down that option. > Now comes my question... Uhm.. Can SATA RAID Controllers be 'linked'. Sa= y, I > but 4 x 8-Port Adaptec SATA RAID Controllers... 2 x 8 Port Cards =3D 16 P= orts for > 1 RAID 5 Array (@ 750GB Drives, 12TB Max). The other 2 cards, to mirror.= I > know that I can use one Controller to mirror another, but can I extend a = array > across multiple controllers... And then naturally, just HOW much slower d= oes > the array function? The array will be using system cpu/memory, so quite a bit, and it'll cause a hit on system perofrmance, however, the trick here is you can do what I mentioned above with some trickery (I think), and just have the OS "link" the two file systems, it's not any RAID form, and shouldn't cost much performance.