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Date:      Wed, 7 Aug 2019 11:58:08 -0500
From:      Pedro Giffuni <pfg@FreeBSD.org>
To:        src-committers@freebsd.org
Cc:        svn-src-all@freebsd.org, svn-src-head@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-arch@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: svn commit: r350550 - head/share/mk
Message-ID:  <86621ce5-3a8d-2e22-f146-3b0cc8252124@FreeBSD.org>
In-Reply-To: <4e4d30b2-4801-2e53-6f26-49cb350445ec@FreeBSD.org>
References:  <201908030106.x7316Ibx078529@repo.freebsd.org> <20190806165614.GA41295@FreeBSD.org> <4e4d30b2-4801-2e53-6f26-49cb350445ec@FreeBSD.org>

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On 07/08/2019 11:00, John Baldwin wrote:
> On 8/6/19 9:56 AM, Glen Barber wrote:
>> On Sat, Aug 03, 2019 at 01:06:18AM +0000, John Baldwin wrote:
>>> Author: jhb
>>> Date: Sat Aug  3 01:06:17 2019
>>> New Revision: 350550
>>> URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/350550
>>>
>>> Log:
>>>    Flip REPRODUCIBLE_BUILD back to off by default in head.
>>>    
>>>    Having the full uname output can be useful on head even with
>>>    unmodified trees or trees that newvers.sh fails to recognize as
>>>    modified.
>>>    
>>>    Reviewed by:	emaste
>>>    Differential Revision:	https://reviews.freebsd.org/D20895
>>>
>> I would like to request this commit be reverted.  While the original
>> commit message to enable this knob stated the commit would be reverted
>> after stable/12 branched, I have seen no public complaints about
>> enabling REPRODUCIBLE_BUILD by default (and quite honestly, do not see
>> the benefit of disabling it by default -- why wouldn't we want
>> reproducibility?).
>>
>> To me, this feels like a step backwards, with no tangible benefit.
>> Note, newvers.sh does properly detect a modified tree if it can find
>> the VCS metadata directory (i.e., .git, .svn) -- I know this because
>> I personally helped with it.
>>
>> In my opinion, those that want the non-reproducible metadata included in
>> output from 'uname -a' should set WITHOUT_REPRODUCIBLE_BUILDS in their
>> src.conf.  Turning off a sane default for the benefit of what I suspect
>> is likely a short list of use cases feels like a step in the wrong
>> direction.
> My arguments for flipping this in head (and head only) are that the data
> provided in uname -a when this is disabled is useful for development, and
> that in head we do tailor settings towards development (e.g. GENERIC in
> head vs GENERIC in stable).
>
> The logic to handle modified trees has an inherent assumption that I think
> is false, at least for my workflow and I suspect many others.  I do builds
> and tests of kernels on separate machines (VMs or bare metal) from where I
> use VCS to manage sources so that a kernel crash doesn't toast my source
> tree.  The trees are then shared to the build/test machines via NFS.  As
> a result, the build/test machines are not always able to detect that the
> tree is modified either because a subset of the checkout is exported via
> NFS, or the VCS tool isn't installed on the build/test machines because
> they are generally barebones systems with only a base installed.  This
> does mean that flipping the knob off doesn't provide all of the same info,
> but it does provide the path, and the path matters because 'kgdb -n last'
> uses it, and because if you use separate directories for separate projects
> (e.g. git worktrees), then the path tells you which test kernel you booted.
> (It is not uncommon for me to have several test projects in flight on a
> single test machine for different branches.)
>
> In the original discussion on arch, we collectively recognized that
> developer builds vs release builds were different and needed different
> defaults.  The compromise reached at that time was to depend on the VCS
> to detect developer builds to choose the policy.  What I have found is that
> in practice for at least my workflow that doesn't actually work.  I posit
> that the majority of kernels built from head are developer builds, not
> releases, and that the default should cater to that.  You could also always
> patch release.sh to set WITH_REPRODUCIBLE_BUILD in the environment which I
> think would give a more accurate sense of when builds are releases or not.
>
> However, I will yield to whatever the consensus is.

+1 keeping metadata in head.





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