From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 27 18:42:16 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EEA3106566B for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:42:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayve@sfsu.edu) Received: from iron1.sfsu.edu (iron1.sfsu.edu [130.212.10.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 195A68FC1A for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:42:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayve@sfsu.edu) X-onepass: IPPSC X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEABqH60eC1Apk/2dsb2JhbACrWw Received: from smtp01.sfsu.edu ([130.212.10.100]) by iron1.sfsu.edu with ESMTP; 27 Mar 2008 11:42:15 -0700 Received: from libra.sfsu.edu ([130.212.10.238]) by mail05a.sfsu.edu (Lotus Domino Release 7.0.3HF378) with ESMTP id 2008032711421338-315 ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:42:13 -0700 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:42:13 -0700 (PDT) From: KAYVEN RIESE cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <47EB1717.6060208@highperformance.net> Message-ID: References: <252055.77706.qm@web35604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080326183554.3f5f43b1.skeptikos@gmail.com> <47EB1717.6060208@highperformance.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on MAIL05a/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.3HF378 | February 28, 2008) at 03/27/2008 11:42:13, Serialize by Router on SMTP01/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.3HF378 | February 28, 2008) at 03/27/2008 11:42:15, Serialize complete at 03/27/2008 11:42:15 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: Newbie Question - about newbie user support X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:42:16 -0000 On Wed, 26 Mar 2008, Jason C. Wells wrote: > KAYVEN RIESE wrote: >> On Wed, 26 Mar 2008, christopher wrote: >> > So -hackers really isn't a place for newbies. Newbies should subscribe to > -questions. This was the first list I subscribed to back in the day. I've been on -questions. Like a lot of the lists you get HELLLA emails. It's hard to keep up with them. I have found that -hackers get less emails and if you ask a question that is especially newbie-ish, nobody seems to care that much. -hackers seems like a nice list that has hardcore technical advice without the narrow definitions. > > A hacker is person who writes code in the context of this discussion. (The > first person to quote the jargon file earns minus one pedantic.) > Oops. You are referring to my quoting of "luser?" I am minus one pedantic not pedantic enough? {:} Je ne comprende pas! {:) > Building the world isn't that hard really. FreeBSD has done a great job > making it mostly a fire and forget operation. As long as you stay in the > shallow end it's easy. It's when you start tinkering with your makefiles and > your sources that it gets fun. The thing that bothers me about cvsup is that it REQUIRES that supfile thingy, and I would prefer that I had a better handle on it before willy nilly building. Also, there are many different supfiles, that gives me a stomache ache. I know people are going to tell me RTFM a lot. Long long ago in a galaxy I was reading all sorts of man pages, and I still do, but I really like the term "luser" because I have only started being a unix admin in the past few years on freeBSD. I know c code, but the myriads of make are still something I don't feel incredibly comfortable with. A point I wanted to make about man pages is that they help you if you already know what to do, and the manual can be a little like that as well. I'm not complaining. I wish people weren't so harsh about nocaps style. I find it far more comfortable. I think the complaints about nocaps being uneasy to read and conducive to greater error are exaggerated. I understand I need to ask specific questions and give enough information. Sometimes that darn information is hard to obtain. I know how to read error messages, but there is just so much backstory when it comes to kernel code of an operatiing system. Even when you have built "toy" OSes in a University course called "Operating Systems." > > Later, > Jason > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > *----------------------------------------------------------* Kayven Riese, BSCS, MS (Physiology and Biophysics) (415) 902 5513 cellular http://kayve.net Webmaster http://ChessYoga.org *----------------------------------------------------------*