From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 27 22:36:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 770E610658E6 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 22:36:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from angel.comcen.com.au (angel.comcen.com.au [203.23.236.69]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37B8D8FC42 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 22:36:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from [192.168.0.171] (unknown [202.172.126.254]) by angel.comcen.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11CE45C2E9EC for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 09:38:19 +1100 (EST) From: Da Rock To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20090127174717.S18021@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20090123191547.fd43d651.ejcerejo@optonline.net> <20090126150019.387d538b.freebsd@edvax.de> <92bcbda50901260702h503648b6gc5c17b1ae9f211e@mail.gmail.com> <200901270831.24856.jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za> <1233039375.1202.24.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20090127160434.74f04bef@gumby.homeunix.com> <20090127174717.S18021@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 08:36:34 +1000 Message-Id: <1233095794.1202.44.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: KDE: What a monster! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 22:37:01 -0000 On Tue, 2009-01-27 at 17:52 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > had either followed the Debian approach of keeping KDE3 as the default, > > or the FreeBSD approach of leaving it up to the user there wouldn't have > > been such a problem. One of the worst aspect of OSS is the pervasive > > attitude that software is either bleeding-edge, or it's obsolete. > > it's not OSS problem but general problem with all software. this problem > started with commercial software some years ago because PEOPLE WANTED > THIS. > > they wanted to have top-end rubbish as most of poeple don't do anything > more on their computer than starting few simple programs and a web > browser, but wanted to stay "ahead". > > That's why both windoze and KDE (and lots of others) software is such a > crap. > > But it's very simple solution for that for everyone slightly smarter than > idiot. > > Simply DON'T use them. You can do all things with non-"trendy" unix > programs, and with "archaic" unix way of computing. > > for X window system just use some small windows manager that (as > name suggest) manages windows on screen and JUST START program you use. > > that's all. the wistles are not needed for work. Actually it makes work > harder and much less efficient. You don't need "desktop features", you > jest need programs that do what you need, and run them. > > Leave all this colorful whistles to average monkey. Ok, call me monkey average then :) Only this monkey is starting to work on drivers for FreeBSD.... I like a nice looking system to work on - it helps motivate and inspire me to make something easy and useful for people to feel comfortable working with. That said I'm using xfce4 (based on your comments) adjusted to use transparency and all the cool stuff (even compiz-fusion, which I haven't yet found a use for so its disabled atm).