From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 27 13:19:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from implode.root.com (root.com [209.102.106.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A763837BB9A for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:19:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dg@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA16743; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:13:20 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200003272113.NAA16743@implode.root.com> To: Dennis Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Onboard Intel NIC In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 27 Mar 2000 14:22:03 EST." <200003271926.OAA18569@etinc.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:13:20 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >If you dont have time then perhaps someone else should do it. THATS the >point. PLEASE, someone else fix the driver!!! Please, please, please!!! There, did that help? Probably not. I don't know what point you're trying to make. The driver isn't fixed because noone to this point has had both the knowledge and time to fix it, not because I've been some sort of impediment. I have yet to see a real fix for the problem. A real fix requires detecting the type of SEEPROM (6 vs. 8bit address) and doing the right thing. If NetBSD has it working, then great - I suggest that someone look at what they do and form an appropriate fix. If that doesn't happen before I get some time to work on it, then I will when I do. >Its an important driver. People get upset when they can't run full-duplex >mode. It makes linux MUCH more attractive when you can run your $39. card >at twice the speed. Do you really think that whether some small number of Intel cards work correctly in full-duplex with FreeBSD or not will have *any* measurable effect on the attractiveness of FreeBSD vs. Linux? If that prevented someone from installing FreeBSD, then I might agree, but let's be realistic. >Whether you are angry at me or not is no reason to punish the communiity. How is me not doing free work punishing the community? The 'community' should be happy that the driver (and FreeBSD!) exist at all. >If you think that you are just doing this for me because I'm the only one >with the nerve to complain then you dont understand your obligation to the >user base. I do have an obligation, yes. I also have many other obligations. Like anyone with 5 times more to do than can be done in a day, I have to prioritize and do the really important things first and if there is any time left over to do "fun" stuff (like work on free software), then I do. Life hasn't been fun for me for quite awhile. -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project - http://www.freebsd.org Creator of high-performance Internet servers - http://www.terasolutions.com Pave the road of life with opportunities. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message