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Hello,
I just finished installing a 20GB hard drive. It was at least 10 times
formatted and I had to visit dejanews to find I was not the first.
However it took me almost an hour to find the right answer between all
the questions. It looks to me the FAQ lacks some point about dedicated
hard drives. DANGEROUSLY dedicated that is, newfs won't even finish.

The information I gathered:
-"Formatting Media for Use With FreeBSD" by Doug White
-"Re: freebsd 3.4 disklabel bug" mailing.freebsd.bugs 04/13/2000 by
Aleksandr A.BaBaylov <babolo@links.ru> 
-"Re: freebsd 3.4 disklabel bug" mailing.freebsd.bugs 04/13/2000 by 
Adam Laurie <adam@algroup.co.uk>

The error:
root@zaphod:/usr/src/sys# dmesg | grep wd 
wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa
wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): <QUANTUM FIREBALL EL5.1A>
wd0: 4892MB (10018890 sectors), 10602 cyls, 15 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S
wdc1 at 0x170-0x177 irq 15 on isa
wdc1: unit 0 (wd2): <ST320423A>
wd2: 19536MB (40011300 sectors), 39693 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S
changing root device to wd0s1a
wd2s1e: hard error writing fsbn 40011299 (wd2s1 bn 40011299; cn 4233 tn 149 sn 62) (status 51<rdy,seekdone,err> error 10<no_id>)
wd2s1f: hard error writing fsbn 11299 (wd2s1 bn 40011299; cn 4233 tn 149 sn 62) (status 51<rdy,seekdone,err> error 10<no_id>)
wd2s1e: hard error writing fsbn 40011299 (wd2s1 bn 40011299; cn 4233 tn 149 sn 62) (status 51<rdy,seekdone,err> error 10<no_id>)

When using the complete disk in one partition newfs fails. Newfs fails also
when a large partition and a small partition are used, which use the same 
space. Adam stated that using a lower number of blocks would prevent the
problem. I used the same commands as he did to find the problem. In fact
I found a similar solution without reading his message.

Aleksandr proposed to look at dmesg to verify the drive settings. With my
hard drive I get: 39693*16*63=40010544 blocks, not the 40010300 as 
suggested. 40010300 blocks would imply 39693.75 cylinders.

40010544 works flawlesly with me. It seems the number of blocks is being
rounded where it should be truncated.

Could you mention the problem in your documentation?

With kind regards,
Huub


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Hi,

The below are changes that I recommend be made to various documentation on 
the FreeBSD web site and manpages since pnp(4) userconfig manual ISA PnP 
support was depreciated.  Please disregard manpage changes if the changes 
are already in -current.  I am running 4.0-RELEASE and haven't gone 
-current.  The question remains: is there actually something to replace this 
functionality?  If so, it would help for it to be documented.  I feel blind 
because, so far, in the mailing lists this has never been clarified, from 
what I have searched through, other than to say it was deleted a while back 
from 4.0-current.  I have also posted some questions to 
freebsd-stable,-questions,-hardware; awaiting more responses.  How does one 
configure ISA PnP devices manually now?  If I knew how, I would help you 
document it.   I haven't went into the kernel source for PnP yet.  If I 
bring my machine up to -current and find a way to work without pnp(4) I will 
let you know.

Let me know if a formal PR on this issue would be of any use.

Thanks,
   Al...


-----
1) Man: pnp(4) -
Recommended: Delete manpage from new releases or correct to reflect working 
solution, and/or mark depreciated.  'controller pnp0', 'device pnp0' both 
rejected by config in 4.0-RELEASE and earlier from what I have heard.
-----
:  PNP(4)       FreeBSD Kernel Interfaces Manual (i386 Architecture)
:     PNP(4)
:
:  NAME
:      pnp - support for PnP devices
:
: SYNOPSIS
:      controller pnp0
       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[Snip]
-----


-----
2) FAQ: http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/hardware.html, 
http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/book.html -
Recommended: Change to explain how devices that fail to attach with-out 
being configured through userconfig can be attached now without pnp(4).  Or 
mark as not working in 4.0-RELEASE and other affected versions w/o pnp(4).
-----
[Snip]
: Q: I have an internal Plug & Play modem and FreeBSD can't find it.
:
: A: You will need to add the modem's PnP ID to the PnP ID list in the : 
serial driver. To enable Plug & Play support,
: compile a new kernel with controller pnp0 in the configuration file,
                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: then reboot the system. The kernel will print the
: PnP IDs of all the devices it finds. Copy the PnP ID from the modem : to 
the table in /sys/i386/isa/sio.c, at about
: line 2777. Look for the string SUP1310 in the structure siopnp_ids[] : to 
find the table. Build the kernel again, install,
: reboot, and your modem should be found.
:
: You may have to manually configure the PnP devices using the pnp
                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: command in the boot-time configuration with a
: command like
:
:    pnp 1 0 enable os irq0 3 drq0 0 port0 0x2f8
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
:
: to make the modem show.
[Snip]
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Current FreeBSD problem reports

The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users.
These represent problem reports covering all versions including
experimental development code and obsolete releases.

Bugs can be in one of several states:

o - open
     A problem report has been submitted, no sanity checking performed.

a - analyzed
     The report has been examined by a team member and evaluated.

f - feedback
     The problem has been solved, and the originator has been given a
     patch or a fix has been committed.  The PR remains in this state
     pending a response from the originator.

s - suspended
     The problem is not being worked on.  This is a prime candidate
     for somebody who is looking for a project to do.
     If the problem cannot be solved at all,
     it will be closed, rather than suspended.

c - closed
     A problem report is closed when any changes have been integrated,
     documented, and tested.

Critical problems
Serious problems

S  Submitted   Tracker     Resp.    Description
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
o [2000/07/18] docs/20028  doc      ASCII docs should reflect <emphasis> tags
o [2000/07/23] docs/20117  doc      *printf manpage doesn't document %n
o [2000/08/28] docs/20919  doc      bug in INSTALL.TXT

3 problems total.

Non-critical problems

S  Submitted   Tracker     Resp.    Description
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
a [1998/07/31] docs/7456   doc      dialog(3) man page outdated
o [1999/04/07] docs/10997  doc      Problem with query-pr-summary.cgi
o [1999/09/25] docs/13950  doc      webpage idea
o [1999/09/25] docs/13967  doc      FreeBSD Related Publications in Korea
o [1999/10/06] docs/14158  doc      md5(1) manpage should not claim the md5 a
o [1999/10/27] docs/14565  doc      ioctl() codes for device type `fd' (flopp
o [2000/02/20] docs/16843  doc      Knob for release/Makefile to prevent dele
o [2000/03/18] docs/17470  doc      Missing man page: pthread_yield
f [2000/03/20] docs/17521  doc      Proposed FAQ on assembly programming
o [2000/03/25] docs/17598  doc      installworld over NFS documentation no lo
o [2000/04/03] kern/17774  doc      stray irq7
o [2000/05/03] docs/18379  doc      Information on SSH hard to find in Handbo
o [2000/05/19] docs/18674  doc      ntptime.htm and ntptime.8
o [2000/06/05] docs/19010  doc      Bad144 obsoletion by 4.0 is undocumented;
o [2000/06/23] docs/19481  doc      Serial Communications chapter in Handbook
o [2000/07/10] docs/19818  doc      /usr/share/man/man8/sysinstall.8 missing
o [2000/07/17] docs/19981  doc      Indonesian translations
o [2000/07/17] docs/19995  doc      keymap(5) missing from manual in 3.4-RELE
o [2000/07/20] docs/20067  doc      src/sbin/nologin/nologin.5 is bad place
o [2000/07/30] docs/20298  doc      man 5 keymap missing in 4.1 (Stable)
o [2000/08/02] docs/20369  doc      [patch] mountd.8 missing cross-references
o [2000/08/04] docs/20400  doc      Building a kernel with debugging info sec
o [2000/08/06] docs/20447  doc      forcing NFS exports to be updated
o [2000/08/07] docs/20477  doc      Document syslogd's special treatment of k
o [2000/08/10] docs/20528  doc      sysconf(3) manpage doesn't mention posix.
o [2000/08/20] docs/20738  doc      correction and modification to clocks(7)
o [2000/08/23] docs/20794  doc      Request 2 good documents under people.fre
o [2000/08/30] docs/20950  doc      [PATCH] openssl.1 has bogus section title
o [2000/09/02] docs/21005  doc      burncd.sh is obsolete
o [2000/09/05] docs/21057  doc      Little correction of hier(8)

30 problems total.



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From owner-freebsd-doc  Mon Sep 11 16:29:59 2000
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Hey folks,

After seeing that PR 20919 was still unassigned, I took a look at this, and I
think I've come up with some diffs that resolve the problem.  They're below.
Any feedback?

thanks,

Neil

*** /usr/src/release/texts/i386/INSTALL.TXT     Fri Feb 18 07:11:40 2000
--- /tmp/INSTALL.NEW    Mon Sep 11 16:24:57 2000
***************
*** 140,148 ****
     drive in some FreeBSD machine, it's quite easy: You simply add the
     following line to the password file (using the vipw command):
  
!         ftp:*:99:99::0:0:FTP:/cdrom:/sbin/nologin
  
!    And anyone else on your network will now be able to choose a Media
     type of FTP and type in: ``ftp://<machine with CDROM drive>'' after
     picking "URL" in the ftp sites menu.
  
--- 140,155 ----
     drive in some FreeBSD machine, it's quite easy: You simply add the
     following line to the password file (using the vipw command):
  
!         ftp:*:99:99::0:0:FTP:/:/sbin/nologin
  
!    Then create a symbolic link called <Release Name> in the root directory of
!    the machine with the CDROM drive.  For "Release Name", you should
something
!    along the lines of "4.1-RELEASE" or "4.0-CURRENT", or whatever your
FreeBSD
!    cdrom says on it.  Create the symbolic link with a command similar to:
! 
!       ln -s /cdrom /<Release Name>
! 
!    Anyone else on your network will now be able to choose a Media
     type of FTP and type in: ``ftp://<machine with CDROM drive>'' after
     picking "URL" in the ftp sites menu.

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>Number:         21212
>Category:       docs
>Synopsis:       /usr/share/examples/ppp/ppp.conf.sample need PPPoE example
>Confidential:   no
>Severity:       non-critical
>Priority:       low
>Responsible:    freebsd-doc
>State:          open
>Quarter:        
>Keywords:       
>Date-Required:
>Class:          doc-bug
>Submitter-Id:   current-users
>Arrival-Date:   Mon Sep 11 16:50:01 PDT 2000
>Closed-Date:
>Last-Modified:
>Originator:     Matthew Emmerton
>Release:        FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE i386
>Organization:
GSI Computer Services
>Environment:

	All (as far as I know)

>Description:

	/usr/share/examples/ppp/ppp.conf.sample does not have a sample
	configuration for PPPoE.

>How-To-Repeat:

>Fix:

	Add the following sample configuration to the file.
	
	# Example PPPoE Configuration
	# - requires 'options NETGRAPH' in your kernel
	# - replace ed1 with the appropriate NIC device name
	pppoe:
	 set device PPPoE:ed1
	 set authname name
	 set authkey key
	 set mru 1492
	 set mtu 1492
	 set speed sync
	 set cd 5
	 set dial
	 set login
	 set redial 10 10
	 enable lqr


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>Number:         21215
>Category:       docs
>Synopsis:       ".It" macro is missed from termio.4
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>Environment:
FreeBSD athena.prd.fc.nec.co.jp 4.0-STABLE FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE #1: Fri May 12 13:31:42 JST 2000     root@:/usr/src/sys/compile/ATHENA  i386
>Description:
In the manpage for termios.4, ".It" macro is missing at one place (In front of Dv LF in the "Special Characters" section.
>How-To-Repeat:
man 4 termios
>Fix:
apply following patch to /usr/src/share/man/man4/termios.4
(this is patch for termios.4 v 1.12.2.1)
--------------------------------------------------------------
*** termios.4   Wed May 10 09:08:42 2000
--- termios.4      Tue Sep 12 13:12:45 2000
***************
*** 548,554 ****
  set, the
  .Dv EOF
  character is discarded when processed.
! .Dv NL
  Special character on input and is recognized if the
  .Dv ICANON
  flag is set.  It is the line delimiter
--- 548,554 ----
  set, the
  .Dv EOF
  character is discarded when processed.
! .It Dv NL
  Special character on input and is recognized if the
  .Dv ICANON
  flag is set.  It is the line delimiter


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The following reply was made to PR docs/21212; it has been noted by GNATS.

From: Udo Erdelhoff <ue@nathan.ruhr.de>
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Subject: Re: docs/21212: /usr/share/examples/ppp/ppp.conf.sample need PPPoE example
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 06:39:54 +0200

 Just one small nit:
 > 	# Example PPPoE Configuration
 > 	# - requires 'options NETGRAPH' in your kernel
 4.1-RELEASE and later systems don't need this option.
 
 /s/Udo
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From: "Osamu MIHARA" <mihara@prd.fc.nec.co.jp>
To: <freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org>, <mihara@prd.fc.nec.co.jp>
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Subject: Re: docs/21215: ".It" macro is missed from termio.4
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 13:32:11 +0900

 Hi,
 
 Regarding the PR docs/21215, I also found that ".It" is missed for CR in the
 same section. Following is the patch for both.
 
 *** termios.4   Wed May 10 09:08:42 2000
 --- termios.4      Tue Sep 12 13:30:29 2000
 ***************
 *** 548,554 ****
   set, the
   .Dv EOF
   character is discarded when processed.
 ! .Dv NL
   Special character on input and is recognized if the
   .Dv ICANON
   flag is set.  It is the line delimiter
 --- 548,554 ----
   set, the
   .Dv EOF
   character is discarded when processed.
 ! .It Dv NL
   Special character on input and is recognized if the
   .Dv ICANON
   flag is set.  It is the line delimiter
 ***************
 *** 603,609 ****
   is set, the
   .Dv START
   character is discarded when processed.
 ! .Dv CR
   Special character on input and is recognized if the
   .Dv ICANON
   flag is set; it is the
 --- 603,609 ----
   is set, the
   .Dv START
   character is discarded when processed.
 ! .It Dv CR
   Special character on input and is recognized if the
   .Dv ICANON
   flag is set; it is the
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I will input to free bsd documentation project.  The handbook should clearly reference basic unix system administration procedures, such as determining how much free space is available on a disk, how to scan for installed ports.  Some of this basic stuff is quite hard to find.



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On Sun, Sep 10, 2000 at 07:58:26AM +0900, Mitsuru IWASAKI wrote:
> > Sheldon can probably render an opinion on their usage of the macros.
> 
> OK, I'm looking forward to see it :-)

If he doesn't in the next couple of days (no pressure, Sheldon :-) ) then
go ahead and commit.

N
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Are there any plans to offer the handbook as a single pdf file?

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On Tue 2000-09-12 (10:08), James Taylor wrote:
> Are there any plans to offer the handbook as a single pdf file?

As it says on the top of http://www.FreeBSD.org/handbook/ , "It may also
be downloaded in a variety of formats and compression options from the
FreeBSD FTP server (ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc)".

I'm pretty sure that includes a single pdf file.

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> Just a minor correction.
> 
> Q: How cool is FreeBSD?
> 
> ...
> Seriously, both FreeBSD and Linux use the HLT (halt) instruction when
> the system is idle thus lowering its energy consumption and therefore
> the heat it generates. Also if you have APM (automatic
> power management) configured, then FreeBSD can also put the CPU into a
> low power mode.
> 
> APM = Advanced Power Management, not Automatic :-]
> 
>


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From owner-freebsd-doc  Tue Sep 12 14:22:17 2000
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On Tue, 12 Sep 2000 at 04:07:53 -0700, loony@silcon.com wrote:
> I will input to free bsd documentation project.  The handbook should
> clearly reference basic unix system administration procedures, such as
> determining how much free space is available on a disk, how to scan
> for installed ports.  Some of this basic stuff is quite hard to find.

Your contributions are welcome.  So when can we expect to see some
documentation from you ;-)

- jim

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From owner-freebsd-doc  Tue Sep 12 16: 4: 0 2000
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There is some discussion going on about the website's search capability.
Is the documentation project interested in discussing changing the search
engine?

If you are, then I'll subscribe to the list and agree to head up such a
project. Let me know.

Please CC: me directly.

Thank you,
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From owner-freebsd-doc  Tue Sep 12 16:44:37 2000
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Right,

I think I've finished marking up those two documents.

The originals can be found on :
http://people.freebsd.org/~nsayer/bdg-ipfw.txt
http://people.freebsd.org/~alfred/pxe

My versions in Docbook, together with their HTML counterparts, can be found on :
http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~andrew/docproj/

The "Filtering Bridges" one hasn't changed since I last asked the list for
comments, so I really want you to look at the "PXE Installs" document.

I've got serveral issues with it at present :
1) I need to find a publication date for the original document (will contact
author)
2) What do you think of the introduction? I didn't really know what to put in
there.
3) There's a bit of an 'advert' in the first section, where the author says he
could be contacted to quote on a project to write a netboot system for someone
who wants to pay. Do we normally allow this sort of thing?
4) There are some links to download files (which I still have to get URLs for)
at present the files live on people.freebsd.org/~alfred should they stay there
or is there a more permanent home for things like this on ftp.freebsd.org?
5) What is the appropriate way to markup comments alongside commands that the
user is to type in? I just left it inside the <screen> tag, but could that
confuse the user? Unfortunately the standard '#' symbol for comments is also
the root prompt. :-(
6) Overall how do you find the layout of the article. I certainly found this
one more difficult to markup, getting all the indentation right with all those
nested <procedure>'s, <step>'s and <para>'s really sent my head spinning! :-)
7) Oh, and how should the 'terminology' section be marked up? I threw a table
around it, but I don't think it looks right.

Right, that's it.

All comments and suggestions please!
---
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> On Tue, Sep 12, 2000 at 03:29:48PM -0700, Jordan Hubbard wrote:
> > Title: FreeBSD installation and package tools, past, present and future
> > Date: September 8th, 2000
> > Author: Jordan K. Hubbard
> > Version: 1.0
> 
> For everyone's reference; documentation like this is *always* on topic for
> -doc.  If you write something like this for anything you're currently working

Very well, for a copy of the article Nik references, please see:

http://people.freebsd.org/~jkh/package-and-install.txt

- Jordan


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Don't send Japanese mail to this mailing list.

Please use freebsd-users-jp@jp.FreeBSD.org or
freebsd-beginners-jp@ux.mycom.co.jp.

Thanks.


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Hi,

I have been trying to download a copy of the BSD handbook as a
PDF/Postscript file .. so I can view it as one document, rather than follow
links to view each page. However when I click on the FTP page, I only get a
blank document.. I am using IE4.. please advise.

Thanks,
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FreeBSD Web Site Team:

	The co-founder of the FreeBSD Project, David Greenman, was kind enough to
allow us to run irc.FreeBSD.org. It is currently linked to the hybnet
network. We have had it for awhile, and were waiting to make sure it was
stable until we made this request. We were hoping you could put on the
website that FreeBSD help, as well as discussion, is avaliable via IRC at
irc.freebsd.org.

	If you have any questions, I would be more than happy to answer them.

Thank you for your time,
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Nik just said you folks love docs, so here's a pointer to the paper I
submitted to BSDcon 2000.  Please let me know if this is useful and
ways that it might be more useful to your purposes.  Please note that
I retain copyright on it, you can copy it for evaluation purposes,
please ask before using it elsewhere, yada, yada, yada.

http://people.freebsd.org/~imp/paper-preview.txt

Oh, one last thing.  It is written so that it will be true when I
deliver it in October, so one or two points haven't been committed (or
in one case written) yet.

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On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, Nik Clayton wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 12, 2000 at 07:38:33AM -0700, Joseph Scott wrote:
> > 	I've pretty much given up on the search at freebsd.org.  For better
> > or for worse I usually just go to www.deja.com/usenet and do a search
> > there.
> 
> Can you take this to -doc?  I haven't got the time to deal with it now,
> but someone there might.

I posted a request on -doc asking if anyone was interested in changing the
search and that I would volunteer to do the work.  I haven't heard
anything. 

Thank you,
Jason C. Wells

P.S I crossoposted just this once as it seemed appropriate in this case.





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On 13-Sep-00 suvani_kaura@agilent.com wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have been trying to download a copy of the BSD handbook as a
> PDF/Postscript file .. so I can view it as one document, rather than follow
> links to view each page. However when I click on the FTP page, I only get a
> blank document.. I am using IE4.. please advise.

It's difficult to say why you may be having problems, try using a proper,
dedicated FTP program like CuteFTP insead of your web browser. I have just
checked, and had no problem in downloading and viewing 
ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/handbook/book.pdf.gz which is a
compressed version of the handbook in PDF format.

You may want to also check that your PDF viewing program (probably Adobe's
Acrobat Reader) is working properly, you may want to download a new version
from www.adobe.com

---
Andrew Boothman <andrew@cream.org>
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On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 11:05:18AM -0700, Jason C. Wells wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, Nik Clayton wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Sep 12, 2000 at 07:38:33AM -0700, Joseph Scott wrote:
> > > 	I've pretty much given up on the search at freebsd.org.  For better
> > > or for worse I usually just go to www.deja.com/usenet and do a search
> > > there.
> > 
> > Can you take this to -doc?  I haven't got the time to deal with it now,
> > but someone there might.
> 
> I posted a request on -doc asking if anyone was interested in changing the
> search and that I would volunteer to do the work.  I haven't heard
> anything. 
> 

Something certainly ought to be done. The existing search engine seems
to be seriously screwed up in places. Aside from the 'sort by date'
option being removed it displays a different date in the list of
matches to the date in the actual message (messages regarding 3.x
seemingly posted in 1996 :-/ ). One other thing about the 'sort by
date' option was that it, as it's name suggests, only sorted the
results by date, there was/is no way of constraining the search
criteria by date (e.g. search for SCSI, but only in posts made in 1999
and 2000).

If you are prepared to do the work I am sure a lot of people will be
very grateful, including me.
 
> Thank you,
> Jason C. Wells
> 
> P.S I crossoposted just this once as it seemed appropriate in this case.
> 
> 
> 
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On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 07:19:40PM +0100, Andrew Boothman wrote:
> 
> On 13-Sep-00 suvani_kaura@agilent.com wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I have been trying to download a copy of the BSD handbook as a
> > PDF/Postscript file .. so I can view it as one document, rather than follow
> > links to view each page. However when I click on the FTP page, I only get a
> > blank document.. I am using IE4.. please advise.
> 
> It's difficult to say why you may be having problems, try using a proper,
> dedicated FTP program like CuteFTP insead of your web browser. I have just
> checked, and had no problem in downloading and viewing 
> ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/handbook/book.pdf.gz which is a
> compressed version of the handbook in PDF format.
> 

It is possibly because IE4 doesn't know what to do with a .gz file and
so tries to display it and, depending on the first few bytes of the
file, it may just display an blank page, e.g. if 0x1a (Ctrl-Z, the
DOS EOF) is there. If you have WinZip installed though it should have
set up a file type for .gz so IE4 will fire up WinZip.


> You may want to also check that your PDF viewing program (probably Adobe's
> Acrobat Reader) is working properly, you may want to download a new version
> from www.adobe.com
> 
> ---
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> http://sour.cream.org
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Hi Mark,

I pointed this out to Andrew as well, and dont think its a problem with =
IE,
but just the path that your web page has for the "doc" directory..

[.. the links that you have on =
http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/index.html
page for getting to the ftp sites, take you to pages like
ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc which are blank because the =
trailing
"/" is not appended to the address -- was kindof tricky to remember =
that it
has to be there.. but all worked smooth after we put the slash in the
address text box in IE. I was wondering if thats a problem with your
server... ]

Thanks for following up on it so well, though.
Regards,
Suvani.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Ovens [mailto:marko@freebsd.org]
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 2:32 PM
To: suvani_kaura@agilent.com
Cc: Andrew Boothman; doc@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Question about the Handbook


On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 07:19:40PM +0100, Andrew Boothman wrote:
>=20
> On 13-Sep-00 suvani_kaura@agilent.com wrote:
> > Hi,
> >=20
> > I have been trying to download a copy of the BSD handbook as a
> > PDF/Postscript file .. so I can view it as one document, rather =
than
follow
> > links to view each page. However when I click on the FTP page, I =
only
get a
> > blank document.. I am using IE4.. please advise.
>=20
> It's difficult to say why you may be having problems, try using a =
proper,
> dedicated FTP program like CuteFTP insead of your web browser. I have =
just
> checked, and had no problem in downloading and viewing=20
> ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/handbook/book.pdf.gz which is a
> compressed version of the handbook in PDF format.
>=20

It is possibly because IE4 doesn't know what to do with a .gz file and
so tries to display it and, depending on the first few bytes of the
file, it may just display an blank page, e.g. if 0x1a (Ctrl-Z, the
DOS EOF) is there. If you have WinZip installed though it should have
set up a file type for .gz so IE4 will fire up WinZip.


> You may want to also check that your PDF viewing program (probably =
Adobe's
> Acrobat Reader) is working properly, you may want to download a new
version
> from www.adobe.com
>=20
> ---
> Andrew Boothman <andrew@cream.org>
> http://sour.cream.org
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>Number:         21254
>Category:       docs
>Synopsis:       [PATCH] In install/chapter.sgml, explain FTP'ing via HTTP proxy
>Confidential:   no
>Severity:       serious
>Priority:       medium
>Responsible:    freebsd-doc
>State:          open
>Quarter:        
>Keywords:       
>Date-Required:
>Class:          doc-bug
>Submitter-Id:   current-users
>Arrival-Date:   Wed Sep 13 13:20:01 PDT 2000
>Closed-Date:
>Last-Modified:
>Originator:     Philipp Mergenthaler
>Release:        FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386
>Organization:
University of Karlsruhe
>Environment:

	$FreeBSD: doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/install/chapter.sgml,v 1.58 2000/09/10 10:20:16 alex Exp $


>Description:

	The handbook only describes FTP proxies, whereas most proxies
	nowadays are HTTP proxies.

>How-To-Repeat:

	

>Fix:

I'm not a native speaker -- feel free to improve the wording :-).

--- chapter.sgml	Wed Sep 13 21:39:55 2000
+++ chapter.sgml.new	Wed Sep 13 22:16:08 2000
@@ -452,5 +452,5 @@
 	  you will also need a name server and possibly the address of a
 	  gateway (if you are using PPP, it is your provider's IP address)
-	  to use in talking to it.  If you do not know the answers to all
+	  to use in talking to it.  If you want to install by FTP via an HTTP proxy (see below), you will also need the proxy's address.  If you do not know the answers to all
 	  or most of these questions, then you should really probably talk
 	  to your system administrator or ISP <emphasis>before</emphasis> trying
@@ -508,6 +508,6 @@
 	  <screen><userinput>ftp://209.55.82.20/pub/FreeBSD/&rel.current;-RELEASE</userinput></screen>
 
-	  <para>There are two FTP installation modes you can choose from:
-	    active or passive FTP.</para>
+	  <para>There are three FTP installation modes you can choose from:
+	    active or passive FTP or via an HTTP proxy.</para>
 
 	  <variablelist>
@@ -536,10 +536,27 @@
 	      </listitem>
 	    </varlistentry>
+
+	    <varlistentry>
+	      <term>FTP via an HTTP proxy</term>
+
+	      <listitem>
+	        <para>This option instructs FreeBSD to use the HTTP
+		  protocol (like a web browser) to connect to a proxy
+		  for all FTP operations.  The proxy will translate
+		  the requests and send them to the FTP server.
+		  This allows the user to pass through firewalls
+		  that do not allow FTP at all, but offer an HTTP
+		  proxy.
+		  In this case, you have to specify the proxy in
+		  addition to the FTP server.</para>
+	      </listitem>
+	    </varlistentry>
 	  </variablelist>
 
 	  <note>
-	    <para>Active and passive modes are not the same as a
-	      <quote>proxy</quote> connection, where a proxy FTP server is
-	      listening and forwarding FTP requests!</para>
+	    <para>There is another type of FTP proxy other than HTTP
+	      proxies.  This type is very uncommon, though.  If you
+	      are not absolutely certain, you can assume that you
+	      have an HTTP proxy as described above.</para>
 	  </note>
 

>Release-Note:
>Audit-Trail:
>Unformatted:


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> "/" is not appended to the address -- was kindof tricky to remember that it
> has to be there.. but all worked smooth after we put the slash in the
> address text box in IE. I was wondering if thats a problem with your
> server... ]

	Um... no.. that would still be a problem with IE... it handles
addresses in a non-standard (ie, Microsoft) way. Netscape, Lynx and
Mozilla all handle that just fine... :) It took me a couple of days of
research and Microsoft Tech Articles to figure that one out... Ironically,
it worked fine with IE 3... but got broken again!

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On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 at 16:57:44 +0000, Daniel wrote:
> FreeBSD Web Site Team:
> 
> 	The co-founder of the FreeBSD Project, David Greenman, was kind
> enough to allow us to run irc.FreeBSD.org. It is currently linked to
> the hybnet network. We have had it for awhile, and were waiting to
> make sure it was stable until we made this request. We were hoping you
> could put on the website that FreeBSD help, as well as discussion, is
> avaliable via IRC at irc.freebsd.org.
> 
> 	If you have any questions, I would be more than happy to answer
> them.

Is it really meant to provide help?  I have no problem adding it if it
is, I just don't want to have people going there then have it end up
like #FreeBSD over on Efnet.  Also, I'm assuming that you're talking
about a #FreeBSD channel on irc.FreeBSD.org.. am I right?

- jim

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Mark Ovens wrote:
>> search and that I would volunteer to do the work.  I haven't heard
>> anything.=20
>>=20
>
>Something certainly ought to be done. The existing search engine seems
>to be seriously screwed up in places. Aside from the 'sort by date'
>option being removed it displays a different date in the list of
>matches to the date in the actual message (messages regarding 3.x
>seemingly posted in 1996 :-/ ). One other thing about the 'sort by
>date' option was that it, as it's name suggests, only sorted the
>results by date, there was/is no way of constraining the search
>criteria by date (e.g. search for SCSI, but only in posts made in 1999
>and 2000).
>
>If you are prepared to do the work I am sure a lot of people will be
>very grateful, including me.
>=20
Me too.  Any way the pages could be sent with the search words =
highlighted
in some way?  Also I'd love to see just replies when searching the lists;
a sort of Re: only filter.

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I have looked high and low on the site for information on tape drives.  I own
three tape drives (A conner CTT800I-F, Colorado 250 and a Archive 31250Q Floppy
Adapter Tape Drive).  I've tried every possible configuration that i could find
on the site and have not been able to get to work properly, nor have i seen
any thing that would indicate that they wouldn't work.

I've been an steady and avid freebsd user 2.2.5 and have always been pleased
with the way freebsd shines.  I like it so much that it is the predominate OS
on my network (5 out of the 11 machines (5 fbsd, 4 Solaris, 1 NeXT and 1 win).

Where was I? Oh, what is the best choice of tape media for a fbsd system? I'm
grasping at straws at this point in time as I've tried drive after drive after
drive.  If i remember, in early releases floppy adapter tape drives were viewed
as /dev/ft0 -- not anymore.  I'm trying to find a way to access these (or one)
drives.

The handbooks/backups-tapebackups.html#BACKUPs-TAPEBACKUS-MINI looks 
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The following reply was made to PR docs/19818; it has been noted by GNATS.

From: Brian Candler <B.Candler@pobox.com>
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 On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 10:06:45PM -0400, Daniel Harris wrote:
 > Can this be closed?
 
 Has anything changed, e.g. has the man page now found its way into -current
 or -stable?
 
 I generally don't install the O/S source (only kernel source), so it's a bit
 of a pain not having the man page available.
 
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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:28:33 +0100
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David de la Rosa wrote:
>I am having trouble creating the boot disks via FTP.  The files kern.flp=
 and
>mfsroot.flp are 1.473Mbs large and don't fit into my 1.44Mbs formatted
>floppies.  When I try to fdimage I get an error message that states that=
 the
>file is too large.  What am I doing wrong or what do I have to do?  I am
>really interested in installing my FreeBSD after all the research I have
>done and noting that Yahoo runs all there servers on FreeBSD I want to =
start
>learning and take advantage of all the benefits of FreeBSD.  Please =
help.

The kern.flp and mfsroot.flp are exactly 1,474,560 bytes each and fit
perfectly on a good floppy.  I've used rawrite to make the floppies
without any problems, so you could try using that.  I have heard that
people have had problems with dodgy disks, so try using good quality
new ones if you can.  (rawrite will be in /tools if it isn't in =
/floppies)

HTH
John.


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On Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 09:43:48AM -0400, David de la Rosa wrote:
> I am having trouble creating the boot disks via FTP.  The files kern.flp and
> mfsroot.flp are 1.473Mbs large and don't fit into my 1.44Mbs formatted
> floppies.  When I try to fdimage I get an error message that states that the
> file is too large.  What am I doing wrong or what do I have to do?  I am
> really interested in installing my FreeBSD after all the research I have
> done and noting that Yahoo runs all there servers on FreeBSD I want to start
> learning and take advantage of all the benefits of FreeBSD.  Please help.

 You need to FTP the floppies in binary mode, not ascii.

Eric


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Hi chaps,

Sorry for the inpersonal nature of this e-mail, but a bunch of people have
responded to my request for a conspectus for the -mobile list.  I'm doing this
to save my fingers from the excessive typing.  I'm sending this to -doc as
well, in case anyone else is interested.

A number of questions have cropped up.

 Q: Is this only for -mobile?

 A: No.  If you want to produce a conspectus for one of the other mailing
    lists then please do so.  All I ask is that you coordinate through me (or
    the -doc mailing list) so that we don't get duplication of effort.


 Q: How far behind does the conspectus lag the mailing list it shadows?

 A: Ideally, 3 days to a week or so behind the contents of the mailing list.
    More delay is allowed, but the longer it gets, the less apropos it is.


 Q: What directory structure and layout should the files take?

 A: Take a look at the layout and .sgml files at

         http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/www/en/conspectus/

    In particular, the README file in that directory is the notes I wrote
    to myself when I was taking updates for the -stable Conspectus.  


 Q: What files should I submit?

 A: The less work I have to do the better :-)  Ideally, you'll be able to
    send me the .sgml file for the week's conspectus, and patches to the
    index.sgml and Makefile's to integrate them in to the FreeBSD web site.

    I can then drop them in to the web tree, check they build OK, and commit
    them.

    From my point of view they *have* to be capable of being dropped in to
    the www/ CVS tree without any intervention from me, otherwise I won't
    know that you're going to be able to do this as a committer.


 Q: SGML is hard.  Can't I just send you HTML?

 A: I'd rather not.  If you look at the existing .sgml files you'll discover
    that they're almost entirely bog-standard HTML anyway (sufficiently so
    that you can rename them to a .html extension and load them in to your
    browser).  

 Q: Are you serious about the volunteers becoming committers?

 A: Absolutely.  Just demonstrate the ability to produce the conspectus
    on time, and in a format that's ready to be committed.  There are 
    numerous people with @freebsd.org addresses now that can testify to
    my eagerness to reduce my workload by bringing other people on board.

Everyone that's volunteered to do one for -mobile is on this to: line of
this message, and some of you have volunteered for other lists as well.
Please talk amongst yourselves to determine who wants to do which list, and
how you want to collaborate if more than one of you wants to do the same
list -- I'd actually encourage that, so that when someone wants to go on
holiday the conspectus doesn't dry up.

OK?

N 
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On Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 05:06:26PM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote:

> Everyone that's volunteered to do one for -mobile is on this to: line of
> this message, and some of you have volunteered for other lists as well.
> Please talk amongst yourselves to determine who wants to do which list, and
> how you want to collaborate if more than one of you wants to do the same
> list -- I'd actually encourage that, so that when someone wants to go on
> holiday the conspectus doesn't dry up.

well, if nobody has any objections, i'll volunteer to work on -smp and
-security.  they both seem interesting enough to warent summaries, and i
should be able to stay on top of them.  if anyone wants to help with
them, just drop me an email.

-- 
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rooneg@electricjellyfish.net             you kill -9 my parent process.
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In message <20000914170625.G440@canyon.nothing-going-on.org>, Nik Clayton wrote
:

} Everyone that's volunteered to do one for -mobile is on this to: line of
} this message, and some of you have volunteered for other lists as well.
} Please talk amongst yourselves to determine who wants to do which list, and
} how you want to collaborate if more than one of you wants to do the same
} list -- I'd actually encourage that, so that when someone wants to go on
} holiday the conspectus doesn't dry up.

Garrett has already said that he'd like to do -smp and -security.  I'll 
volunteer to do -hackers, unless someone else has strong feelings about
it.  If there aren't enough volunteers for other lists, I might be able to 
take on one of the following as well:

-mobile
-multimedia 
-config
-emulation

or I could share duties on -questions or -current. 

-- 
   Jon Hamilton  
   hamilton@pobox.com



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Hi Markus,

(Sorry it took so long to get around to writing a reply!)

I took a look at your document, and while it was clear and well-written, IMHO,
I don't really think it's covering any new ground, that isn't already covered
in the handbook at present.

You'll notice that, except the 'Device sbc0' line, your document could describe
how to install _any_ soundcard under FreeBSD, because installing a Creative
Awe64 (I have one in my FreeBSD box as well) isn't really that different from
installing any other card that is covered by pcm0.

Having said that it would be useful to keep around to give to people on
-questions who are still finding things a bit tricky.

Thanks! :-)


On 04-Sep-00 Markus "Fluid" Delves wrote:
> Greetings...
> 
> After wasting a couple good hours on installing my soundcard, I decided to
> write a quick guide on how-to set up a Creative SB AWE64, and at the end I
> included a quick troubleshooting section. I know this doc may be not
> neccessary
> due to the docs do basically go over the same things, but I think it would be
> useful to add my short troubleshooting section to the old doc. It would have
> saved me a couple hours.
> 
> The doc is at:
> http://www.fluidenterprises.net/~fluid/texts/fbsd_sndcard.txt
> 
> Thanks,
> Markus "Fluid" Delves
> markus@fluidenterprises.net
> 
> PS: Please excuse my lack of majordomo experience entrance ;)
> 
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Alan,

Have you fixed the problem with /var/log/aculog yourself?

If you can decide how the handbook should be changed to make this clearer then
please write and tell us so we can get it changed.

Thanks!

(Is it as simple as making aculog root.dialer and group writable? If so, why
isn't installed like this by default? Anyone know?)

On 14-Sep-00 Alan Larson wrote:
>  The doc is pretty wrong about serial comm and tip.  It says that you
> can add a user to the dialer group, but that doesn't fix access to the
> /var/log/aculog if the file is owned by root.wheel, and there is no
> hint of the "correct" ownership for that file.

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I am still most interested in doing -mobile, although I will be gone for
three weeks in November. Would anyone like to team up on it?

Eric Hedstrom
erich@ucsd.edu
erich@peregrine.com


Jon Hamilton wrote:
> 
> In message <20000914170625.G440@canyon.nothing-going-on.org>, Nik Clayton wrote
> :
> 
> } Everyone that's volunteered to do one for -mobile is on this to: line of
> } this message, and some of you have volunteered for other lists as well.
> } Please talk amongst yourselves to determine who wants to do which list, and
> } how you want to collaborate if more than one of you wants to do the same
> } list -- I'd actually encourage that, so that when someone wants to go on
> } holiday the conspectus doesn't dry up.
> 
> Garrett has already said that he'd like to do -smp and -security.  I'll
> volunteer to do -hackers, unless someone else has strong feelings about
> it.  If there aren't enough volunteers for other lists, I might be able to
> take on one of the following as well:
> 
> -mobile
> -multimedia
> -config
> -emulation
> 
> or I could share duties on -questions or -current.
> 
> --
>    Jon Hamilton
>    hamilton@pobox.com


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> 
> Is it really meant to provide help?  I have no problem adding it if it
> is, I just don't want to have people going there then have it end up
> like #FreeBSD over on Efnet.  Also, I'm assuming that you're talking
> about a #FreeBSD channel on irc.FreeBSD.org.. am I right?
> 

Yes, I am big on providing support for people. I am an op in #FreeBSDHelp
on efnet. #FreeBSD on irc.freebsd.org will be a help channel. And btw, when
you are on there, msg me and I will add you to chanserv.

Thanks for your help,
Daniel Hemmerich


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Thus spake Eric Hedstrom (erich@peregrine.com):

> I am still most interested in doing -mobile, although I will be gone for
> three weeks in November. Would anyone like to team up on it?


I'd be in this, but am just about to trot off overseas for 3-4 weeks. Also
be interested in starting a conspectus for -isp.


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From owner-freebsd-doc  Fri Sep 15  4:59:37 2000
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-core, -doc,

This is probably a more appropriate question for the Foundation, but I 
don't believe that's up and running fully yet (?)

I just received the following message.  I'm planning on replying as 
follows, but I thought I'd let anyone with more legal resources than
me have an opportunity to comment.

Comments?

N
 
> From: David Tobler <dtobler@vservers.com>
> To: "'nik@freebsd.org'" <nik@freebsd.org>
> Subject: Copyright Policy for FreeBSD Handbook
> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 17:20:33 -0700
> 
> Dear Nik,
> 
> I am the technical writer for VServers, a HostPro company
> (www.vservers.com). I would like to ask for some clarification on your
> copyright policy with respect to the FreeBSD Handbook. 

No problem.

> We are about to launch a product based on FreeBSD Release 4.1. Specifically,
> my company would like to incorporate portions of the FreeBSD Handbook into
> our own product documentation, with slight modifications to fit our specific
> product offerings.

Just for my own curiosity, what's the product?  I see from 
http://www.vservers.com/products/ that you seem to specialise in 'virtual'
products and services.  Is this going to be a physical box running BSD?

> According to the terms set forth in the front matter of the FreeBSD
> Handbook, I understand that I am free to redistribute the documentation so
> long as the copyright notice and disclaimer are included.

That's correct.

> Since I wish to use only selected portions of the documentation, and make
> slight modifications to them, do I need to include the disclaimer? Also, is
> it acceptable to modify the copyright notice as follows, since the majority
> of the material will be written by our own documentation team?
> 
> 	Portions of this document Copyright © 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999,
> 2000 by The FreeBSD Documentation Project

I think the best thing to do is to include the above line where you include
the normal copyrights, and have an appendix (or other auxillary section)
that contains something like:

  This document contains portions of the FreeBSD Handbook, a freely
  available document developed by members of the FreeBSD Documentation
  Project.  The FreeBSD Handbook is available online 

       http://www.FreeBSD.org/handbook/

  and in print, ISBN 1571762418.

and then include the copyright notice and disclaimer.

We're always interested in feedback from people that use the Handbook, and
if there are any changes you think should be made we'd be happy to hear them.

N 
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I have been out of the BSD loop for about a month because I have no
Internet connection at home (damn Starpower, anyway).  I was just sifting
through a few thousand messages in my inbox here at work and saw the BSD
Magazine thread but it seems to have died with no conclusion.  Did I just
miss the end?

In my time off the 'Net, I have been working on a DaemonNews kind of thing
to be UnixWeek.com.  I have not announced it yet, because a lot of the
backend still needs work (articles wanted, anything and everything Unix
(yes, even AIX) including humor:).  Expect a formal announcement in a few
weeks.

But what can I do to help out a BSD magazine?  Is someone leading a
project to make it happen?  Where is the sign up sheet?  Can I bring chips
and dip?  Has anyone asked the other BSDs about this?  How can I use
UnixWeek.com to help?

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<<On Fri, 15 Sep 2000 12:59:13 +0100, Nik Clayton <nik@freebsd.org> said:

> This is probably a more appropriate question for the Foundation, but I 
> don't believe that's up and running fully yet (?)

Actually, it's a more appropriate question for the original querent's
lawyers.  They need to actually read the license and tell him what
he's supposed to do (and refer him to an IP specialist if they don't
know).

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Hey I'm trying to configure sound, I have a PCI Crystal SoundFusion Audio
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On Tue, May 02, 2000 at 11:48:36AM +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote:
> 
> 
> On Sun, 30 Apr 2000 14:01:11 +0100, Nik Clayton wrote:
> 
> > Done that now.  Hmm.  I don't see this as being Handbook material.  At 
> > least, not new user material.  It's interesting from a historical 
> > perspective, but the information about how the system is seen from the 
> > kernels point of view isn't really important for a new user.
> 
> I don't agree with this at all.  I think that it's a very useful
> introduction to BSD UNIX.  I wish I'd had something like this to explain
> how process management and filesystems (in particular) work in general
> terms when I was starting out.
> 
> However, I do agree that it might be better handled as an article,
> recommended from within the Handbook.  My only concern is that it should
> be recommended for new-comers as well.  It shouldn't in any way be
> ear-marked as something for developers.
> 

Did this ever get resolved and added to the docs? I certainly can't
find it. I found the copy that Sheldon put on his webpage on freefall
but not in the docs (or even referenced from them).

> Ciao,
> Sheldon.
> 
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On Sat, 16 Sep 2000 14:10:05 +0100, Mark Ovens wrote:

> Did this ever get resolved and added to the docs? I certainly can't
> find it. I found the copy that Sheldon put on his webpage on freefall
> but not in the docs (or even referenced from them).
> 

At this stage, I'm just waiting for document-specific image support,
which Nik hadn't yet completed the last time I checked.

Ciao,
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Greetings,

I'm setting up a 'Turkish FreeBSD Users Group' and website.
I would like to have a 'Gallery' (of FreeBSD Users @ Turkey)
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Will you please let me use same "Add your site" CGI script 
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Also, after getting site ready, (soon) will you reference us 
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Hey.
I saw you have translations of FreeBSD tutorials and such.
I sweden we have many FreeBSD users. I use it on my experimental box,
and it works great.
Im not good at translate english to swedish.
But I will be glad to help you guys starting some translation project to
swedish.

thanks
//diox




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