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Date:      Fri, 19 Jun 2020 19:56:34 -0400
From:      Aryeh Friedman <aryeh.friedman@gmail.com>
To:        Dewayne Geraghty <dewayne@heuristicsystems.com.au>
Cc:        FreeBSD Mailing List <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: Update 11.3 > 11.4
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On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 7:29 PM Dewayne Geraghty <
dewayne@heuristicsystems.com.au> wrote:

> Looking carefully at the PR, it seems that the view is that this is
> either a ACPI or BIOS issue of particular DELL equipment, and folks with
> fingers on the code can't reproduce due to lack of equipment.
>

It should be noted that name brand hardware is often less "standard" then
generic hardware (and/or DIY name brand components) and thus it quite
likely that ***IF*** it is a problem with your machine that it due to Dell
being less standard then some random motherboard/BIOS pairing.  Dell and
other name brand PC makers often do this to "differentiate" their machine
from competitors (something you claimed is a good thing and a good aspect
of capitalism -- competition is good but breaking standards is not).

Given all that and the fact that the developers can't test on Dell hardware
means you being worse than unhelpful to any effort to fix the issue you are
in fact actively harming any progress on the PR by not at least attempting
to make it work.   But, by your own logic why should you Dell after all
refused to give you free equipment to try it on (that sounds pretty
socialist/communist to me if you are using the terms as put downs), at the
least it doesn't sound very capitalistic!
-- 
Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org



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