From owner-cvs-all Thu Sep 13 13:29:56 2001 Delivered-To: cvs-all@freebsd.org Received: from winston.freebsd.org (adsl-64-173-15-98.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.15.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2B9B37B403; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 13:29:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id f8DKT7T79808; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 13:29:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@freebsd.org) To: brian@freebsd-services.com Cc: paul@freebsd-services.com, will@physics.purdue.edu, imp@freebsd.org, cvs-committers@freebsd.org, cvs-all@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/pccard pccard.c pcic.c pcic_pci.c pcicvar.h In-Reply-To: <200109132013.f8DKDbd95974@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> References: <200109132013.f8DKDbd95974@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010913132907S.jkh@freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 13:29:07 -0700 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 32 Sender: owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > So you're saying that people who don't contribute to the project in > a clearly measurable way have no say on the mailing lists ? I'm not saying they have no "say" at all, but I am very strongly of the opinion that they have no right to criticize others or tell them how to do their volunteer work. It's already very clearly the case that volunteers are NOT motivated by criticism or someone telling them they're being unprofessional just because they don't that person's personal standards, that's a given. When that criticism comes from someone who's already banked up a certain amount of "currency" by clearly putting their own time and resources into pursuits which represent a non-trivial investment of same, however, then it does at least make the criticism that much easier to swallow. It still doesn't make it desirable from a project standpoint, but people are willing to take a _certain_ amount of "talking the talk" if the person popping off has also demonstrated a willingness to "walk the walk", so to speak. If someone's only contribution is to occasionally pop up and say "stop doing that" or "do it my way", however, then that really is intolerable because all they're going to accomplish is to piss various people off and *impede* progress while everyone's back goes up and flame wars on the mailing lists ensue. In this particular case, you'd think that even the most clueless style policeman might have thought about the timing of it all and decided "Nah, on today of all days, this point probably DOESN'T need to be made in public." If nothing else, this is a clear case of bad judgement in action. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe cvs-all" in the body of the message