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Date:      Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:21:28 +0200
From:      Manolis Kiagias <>
To:        Polytropon <>
Cc:, "Ronald F. Guilmette" <>
Subject:   Re: Trivial questions about CNTL-ALT-DEL and CNTL-ALT-BACKSPACE
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Polytropon wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 01:49:04 +0200, Manolis Kiagias <> wrote:
>> By the way Xorg configuration becomes more and more elusive. Initially,
>> DontZap was enough. Then it had no effect at all and the fdi file was
>> needed. Now seems both are needed. What's next?
> If this continues, I'll run my 5.4-p8 workstation with "old
> fashioned" X (already until I die. :-)

I feel your pain...

> No, honestly: X is going to be more and more annoying. Have
> you noticed the long startup time? Nearly a half minute (!!!)

Don't have any startup time problems myself. I mostly run on Atom CPUs,
nothing fancy.

> on a 1.5 GHz system! I know that there is lots of work done
> to make life easier for X developers, especially getting rid
> of many OS specific stuff, but...
> Finally, sliding more off-topic: Not only X gets slower with
> each release, the same applies for almost all X applications,
> except the "old fashioned" ones.

Just the fact that I now have to edit an xml file to simply add a Greek
keyboard layout is annoying enough.
Combine with the fact that for some reason keyboard / mouse may or may
not be detected depending on the machine, phase of the moon etc, 
needing AutoAddInputDevices and AllowEmptyInput hacks, I'd call it
nightmare on HAL street...
But that's enough ranting for tonight, I had an entire blog post
complaining about it. Let's just hope we can cope with the documentation
changes so we have some place to resort to!

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