From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 16 00:21:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D7F71065672 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 00:21:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from aiolos.otenet.gr (aiolos.otenet.gr [83.235.67.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B0618FC16 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 00:21:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pulstar.local (ppp-94-69-68-99.home.otenet.gr [94.69.68.99]) by aiolos.otenet.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id nAG0LSA4009235; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:21:28 +0200 Message-ID: <4B009B08.3070507@otenet.gr> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:21:28 +0200 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon References: <42052.1258327169@tristatelogic.com> <4B009370.1040002@otenet.gr> <20091116010630.0b8f498a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20091116010630.0b8f498a.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, "Ronald F. Guilmette" Subject: Re: Trivial questions about CNTL-ALT-DEL and CNTL-ALT-BACKSPACE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 00:21:31 -0000 Polytropon wrote: > On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 01:49:04 +0200, Manolis Kiagias wrote: > >> By the way Xorg configuration becomes more and more elusive. Initially, >> DontZap was enough. Then it had no effect at all and the fdi file was >> needed. Now seems both are needed. What's next? >> > > If this continues, I'll run my 5.4-p8 workstation with "old > fashioned" X (already X.org) until I die. :-) > > I feel your pain... > No, honestly: X is going to be more and more annoying. Have > you noticed the long startup time? Nearly a half minute (!!!) > Don't have any startup time problems myself. I mostly run on Atom CPUs, nothing fancy. > on a 1.5 GHz system! I know that there is lots of work done > to make life easier for X developers, especially getting rid > of many OS specific stuff, but... > > Finally, sliding more off-topic: Not only X gets slower with > each release, the same applies for almost all X applications, > except the "old fashioned" ones. > > Just the fact that I now have to edit an xml file to simply add a Greek keyboard layout is annoying enough. Combine with the fact that for some reason keyboard / mouse may or may not be detected depending on the machine, phase of the moon etc, needing AutoAddInputDevices and AllowEmptyInput hacks, I'd call it nightmare on HAL street... But that's enough ranting for tonight, I had an entire blog post complaining about it. Let's just hope we can cope with the documentation changes so we have some place to resort to!