From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 1 01:09:49 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C04E16A4CE for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 01:09:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from s1.stradamotorsports.com (ip30.gte215.dsl-acs2.sea.iinet.com [209.20.215.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A4AE43D45 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 01:09:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: from [192.168.1.16] (w16.stradamotorsports.com [192.168.1.16]) iB119g8m013185; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:09:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:09:42 -0800 From: "Jason C. Wells" To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <20041129024602.GA23324@turingmachine.mentalsiege.net> <1101748454.41ab58e61eb88@imp2-q.free.fr> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.5 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.8 required=4.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,MIME_LONG_LINE_QP,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES version=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The beastie boot menu. X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 01:09:49 -0000 --On Tuesday, November 30, 2004 10:28 AM +0100 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav=20 wrote: > "Jason C. Wells" writes: >> The beastie menu is just another level of complexity. It has very >> little to do with anything. I had to learn about Forth in order to >> figure out how to turn it off. > > You can't have learned much if you think > ># echo 'beastie_disable=3D"YES"' >> /boot/loader.conf > > has anything to do with Forth. You are correct. I did not learn much. I deleted beastie.4th from one of=20 the boot scripts. I don't think beastie_disable was around when I was=20 monkeying with this, or I missed it in the docs. That wasn't the point. The point was that the boot menu doesn't add anything to the usability and=20 that in at least one case, it was an unwelcome distraction. The deletion=20 of the menu is of little significance to regular users. I didn't even know = such a thing existed until I recently did my first work on the console in=20 several years. In fact, I haven't even looked to see if my remaining 4X=20 boxes have this menu. If I would have done my upgrade to 5X yesterday=20 rather than a month ago, I would never have known that the darned thing=20 ever appeared in the system. It's just not important, not even to regular users. The claim that FreeBSD = is not suitable to regular users because the beastie menu is gone is silly. Later, Jason C. Wells