From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 29 5:54:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from riker.skynet.be (riker.skynet.be [195.238.3.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0B4037B422 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 05:54:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brad.knowles@skynet.be) Received: from [194.78.241.123] ([194.78.241.123]) by riker.skynet.be (8.11.2/8.11.2/Skynet-OUT-2.11) with ESMTP id f4TCsIs26929; Tue, 29 May 2001 14:54:18 +0200 (MET DST) (envelope-from ) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: bs663385@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010529104636.31597.qmail@web13602.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010529104636.31597.qmail@web13602.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 14:53:34 +0200 To: Bzdik BSD From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: Acknowledgement by Jobs Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 3:46 AM -0700 5/29/01, Bzdik BSD wrote: > I was trying to give our gentleman-profiler a few more hints, don't > spoil the process Seeing as Jordan has been to Nederlands at least once or twice before (he was present for the launch of the Netherlands FreeBSD Users Group, where he first announced the merger of Walnut Creek and BSDi), I don't think that any hints I might drop would be likely to give him much additional hints. > as for beer invention, talk to monks from {Monken > on Isar}Munchen :)you'll end up fighting When do they claim to have invented it? What was later to become the Abbaye d'Orval (in southern Belgium) was established in 1070 (see ), and on the 9th March in 1132 it was formally inhabited by monks of the Cistercian order. Later, they followed the even more austere La Trappe model, from whence comes the term "Trappiste", which may only be legally applied to the five surviving monasteries of that order in Belgium (and one in the Netherlands), which also happen to produce beer according to the original methods (best known is Chimay, but there is also Orval, Rochefort, Westmalle, and Westvleteren). Indeed, they appear to have been brewing beer at Orval, virtually since it was founded (from ): Throughout the long history of Orval, there has probably always been a brewery at the monastery. Various facts corroborate this idea: topographical references on old drawings; a detailed description of production left by a Franciscan visitor three hundred years ago; an area called the "hop-field" very close to the monastery. To brew beer was customary in these areas little-suited to vine-growing. Beer was first and foremost considered for its nourishing properties: it was called "liquid bread". > the best beer is made by friends of Joseph Schweik anyway...no matter > what you say... Who? Anyway, as we know, the definition of "best" is always one of personal opinion and relative to their particular preferences, but many beer experts have considered Belgian Trappiste beers to be the best in the world. From Michael Jackson's "Beer Hunter" site (see , Published in Print: FEB 2, 1991; Published in: The Independent): Chastity, poverty and a pint They don't talk about it much, but Trappist monks have been brewing good strong beer for ages, writes Michael Jackson As my beliefs do not require me to give up any food or drink for Lent (which begins in the middle of this month), I shall instead add a pleasure. I shall buy myself enough Trappist beer to see me through to Easter. > Belgian > chocolate is undisputedly superior to anything else {watch this line}in > its product cathegory. Again, "different strokes for different folks". That said, there are a number of world-class chocolatiers in Belgium, some of whom are world-famous and much beloved by royalty and high government officials around the world. Myself, I can eat quite a large quantity of chocolate, but the first place I've found that creates what I would call "Haute Chocolat" is Pierre Marcolini, and even I can only eat a few pieces at a time of their stuff. > Besides, why power of Unix on desktop? Haven't they failed this with > NeXT, the biggest flop of Jobz's? My neighbourhood restaurant has > already QNX installed, so does NASA...you still dreaming? The key problem is that many application programs are not as well written as they should be, so when they crash, if the operating system underneath them is not itself sufficiently robust, the risk is that the application going down will take the OS with it. This is precisely what happens on both Macintosh and PCs. One could argue that Windows NT is a solution to this problem, but it is not a multi-user OS, and suffers from a number of other design problems. IMO, the best solution for these problems is to have the full power of the Unix OS on the desktop. However, for reasons of user (and programmer) friendliness, you also need a good GUI and programming tools available, as well as a large enough mass market that you can attract the kinds of programmers writing the kinds of programs that your customers will want to use on the desktop. > I spent 9 hours today doing my regular gigs in mac OS 8.6, and believe > me: I tried them all. For what I do, the *productivity* is still on a > Mac Classic desktop. Black Holes suck, so does Mac OSX dock. Big time. It takes a while to get used to any new environment. And MacOS X/Aqua is a pretty big change over the classic "Platinum" MacOS environment. However, I've read quite a few articles by people who trashed MacOS X as much (or more) than you, but who became used to the changes and even preferred them, after sufficiently acclimating to the new environment. All it takes is time. And until you've put in that time, you really have no reason (or right) to treat it the way you have. -- Brad Knowles, /* efdtt.c Author: Charles M. 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