From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jul 23 13:28:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA12114 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 13:28:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ppp6564.on.sympatico.ca (ppp1537.on.sympatico.ca [206.172.249.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA12064; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 13:26:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (tim@localhost) by ppp6564.on.sympatico.ca (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA17709; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 16:23:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 16:23:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Vanderhoek Reply-To: ac199@hwcn.org To: Jamie Bowden cc: ac199@hwcn.org, "Jonathan M. Bresler" , Michael Smith , pechter@lakewood.com, softweyr@xmission.com, freebsd-chat@hub.freebsd.org Subject: Re: FTC regulating use of registrations In-Reply-To: <199707231911.PAA16607@gatekeeper.itribe.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 23 Jul 1997, Jamie Bowden wrote: > On Wed, 23 Jul 1997, Tim Vanderhoek wrote: > [...] > > > > Your "right thing" works entirely counter to that. The "right > > thing" is to raise children who belong to God. In lue of that, you > > may settle for "realize their full potential" and other such > > cliches, but _please_, not "bring credit to their family". > > You raise them to belong to belong to some non-entity, and then tell them > they are respected as property? Sorry, my kids will be mine till they > have enough brains not to walk into traffic without looking both ways, > then they are their own problem (for the most part of course...your kids > will always be your kids.) I probably choose a poor term, given the context. Points I am making are, #1) They are FULLY respected as people, regardless of their social/family position relative to the parent. This is necessary to develop a good relationship with the children. I believe that jmb's argument that the purpose of children is to give "credit to their family" works counter to this. Because I discredited jmb's ``goal in raising children'', I had to offer my own substitute. It is #2. For the many who cannot abide by this, I even mentioned yet another possibility. #2) The most important decision they make is to give themselves to God. These two do not conflict. The idea with #1 is that we do not discard the children (their opinions, ideas, etc) as somehow being of less value than ours. I could also go on to explain that despite #2, a certain equality exists between God and man, but that goes clearly into the area of religion, and besides, opinion on that changes every ~50 years or so, anyways, so I'll leave it. -- tIM...HOEk OPTIMIZATION: the process of using many one-letter variables names hoping that the resultant code will run faster.