From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jun 21 2: 0:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D72414E69 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 02:00:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.1) id LAA44585; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:00:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des) To: Alex Zepeda Cc: "Brian W. Buchanan" , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 32bitsOnline comparison of BSD v. GPL References: From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 21 Jun 1999 11:00:17 +0200 In-Reply-To: Alex Zepeda's message of "Sat, 19 Jun 1999 18:46:42 -0700 (PDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 13 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Alex Zepeda writes: > On Sat, 19 Jun 1999, Brian W. Buchanan wrote: > > > FWIW, I was using Lynx, but any browser should recognize & as &. What > > > were you using? Netscape Navigator? Hooray for you. > > Not in URLs, it shouldn't. "&"->"&" is a HTML substitution, not an > > HTTP one. > Ehm, URIs are not an HTTP thing. Go read RFC1738. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jun 21 2: 4:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mom.hooked.net (mom.hooked.net [206.80.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E77E14DBE for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 02:04:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) Received: from fish.hooked.net (garbanzo@fish.hooked.net [206.80.6.48]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA05823; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 02:04:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 02:04:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex Zepeda To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: "Brian W. Buchanan" , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 32bitsOnline comparison of BSD v. GPL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 21 Jun 1999, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > Alex Zepeda writes: > > On Sat, 19 Jun 1999, Brian W. Buchanan wrote: > > > > FWIW, I was using Lynx, but any browser should recognize & as &. What > > > > were you using? Netscape Navigator? Hooray for you. > > > Not in URLs, it shouldn't. "&"->"&" is a HTML substitution, not an > > > HTTP one. > > Ehm, URIs are not an HTTP thing. > > Go read RFC1738. Which has been superceeded by RFC 2396 (or 2369 I forget which). - alex You better believe that marijuana can cause castration. Just suppose your girlfriend gets the munchies! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jun 21 3:40:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E188814C12 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 03:40:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.1) id MAA46849; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 12:40:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des) To: Alex Zepeda Cc: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , "Brian W. Buchanan" , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 32bitsOnline comparison of BSD v. GPL References: From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 21 Jun 1999 12:40:17 +0200 In-Reply-To: Alex Zepeda's message of "Mon, 21 Jun 1999 02:04:22 -0700 (PDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 23 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Alex Zepeda writes: > On 21 Jun 1999, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > Alex Zepeda writes: > > > On Sat, 19 Jun 1999, Brian W. Buchanan wrote: > > > > > FWIW, I was using Lynx, but any browser should recognize & as &. What > > > > > were you using? Netscape Navigator? Hooray for you. > > > > Not in URLs, it shouldn't. "&"->"&" is a HTML substitution, not an > > > > HTTP one. > > > Ehm, URIs are not an HTTP thing. > > Go read RFC1738. > Which has been superceeded by RFC 2396 (or 2369 I forget which). You're thinking of RFC2368, which defines mailto: URLs. RFC2369 discusses the use of URLs by mailing list software to add mailto: links to list services (help, subscribe, unsubscribe etc), but is not related to RFC1738 except insofar as it refers to it. Now stop spewing s**t on the list and go read RFC1738. BTW, it's spelled 'superseded'. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jun 21 10:37: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from kronos.alcnet.com (kronos.alcnet.com [63.69.28.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 758A6150C1 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 10:36:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kbyanc@alcnet.com) X-Provider: ALC Communications, Inc. http://www.alcnet.com/ Received: from kbyanc (ws-41.alcnet.com [63.69.28.41]) by kronos.alcnet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/antispam) with SMTP id NAA23669 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:48:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kelly Yancey" To: Subject: Team FreeBSD Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:47:09 -0400 Message-ID: <004401bebc0e$15ca5c20$291c453f@kbyanc.alcnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Just wanted to give everyone a quick update: Since the new distributed.net Team FreeBSD site (http://www.posi.net/freebsd/Team-FreeBSD) went up June 5th, we have gained 20 new members substantially increasing our team keyrate. In the next couple of weeks, graphs of the teams progress will become available on the website so you can track Team FreeBSD's progress as well as our neighbors in the rankings. That's it for the news. Now, I have a question: does anyone know who is freebsd@distributed.net? Since the rc5des client in the ports collection defaults to this e-mail address, and it's doing a decent keyrate, it would be nice if it would be a part of Team FreeBSD. But I need to know who to contact. I appreciate the help, Kelly ~kbyanc@posi.net~ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve - http://www.freebsd.org/ Join Team FreeBSD - http://www.posi.net/freebsd/Team-FreeBSD To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jun 21 16:51: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.dyn.ml.org (pm3-5.ppp.wenet.net [206.15.85.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F4C915051 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:50:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) Received: from localhost (garbanzo@localhost) by zippy.dyn.ml.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA00993; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:50:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) X-Authentication-Warning: zippy.dyn.ml.org: garbanzo owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:50:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex Zepeda To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: "Brian W. Buchanan" , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 32bitsOnline comparison of BSD v. GPL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 21 Jun 1999, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > You're thinking of RFC2368, which defines mailto: URLs. RFC2369 > discusses the use of URLs by mailing list software to add mailto: > links to list services (help, subscribe, unsubscribe etc), but is not > related to RFC1738 except insofar as it refers to it. Now stop spewing > s**t on the list and go read RFC1738. Uh, stop trying to figure out what I'm thinking of, cause what I'm thinking of is RFC2396: Uniform Resource Identifiers (URI): Generic Syntax [...] Abstract A Uniform Resource Identifier (URI) is a compact string of characters for identifying an abstract or physical resource. This document defines the generic syntax of URI, including both absolute and relative forms, and guidelines for their use; it revises and replaces the generic definitions in RFC 1738 and RFC 1808. [...] > BTW, it's spelled 'superseded'. Yes massah. - alex To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jun 21 17:56:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.36.247]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D05A14C27 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 17:56:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kkennawa@physics.adelaide.edu.au) Received: from bragg (bragg [129.127.36.34]) by adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/UofA-1.5) with SMTP id KAA01741; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:26:09 +0930 (CST) Received: from localhost by bragg; (5.65/1.1.8.2/05Aug95-0227PM) id AA02139; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:27:27 +0930 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:27:27 +0930 (CST) From: Kris Kennaway X-Sender: kkennawa@bragg To: Kelly Yancey Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Team FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <004401bebc0e$15ca5c20$291c453f@kbyanc.alcnet.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 21 Jun 1999, Kelly Yancey wrote: > Since the new distributed.net Team FreeBSD site > (http://www.posi.net/freebsd/Team-FreeBSD) went up June 5th, we have gained > 20 new members substantially increasing our team keyrate. In the next couple > of weeks, graphs of the teams progress will become available on the website > so you can track Team FreeBSD's progress as well as our neighbors in the > rankings. Cool! > That's it for the news. Now, I have a question: does anyone know who is > freebsd@distributed.net? Since the rc5des client in the ports collection > defaults to this e-mail address, and it's doing a decent keyrate, it would > be nice if it would be a part of Team FreeBSD. But I need to know who to > contact. Maybe freebsd@distributed.net? :-) Kris ----- "Never criticize anybody until you have walked a mile in their shoes, because by that time you will be a mile away and have their shoes." -- Unknown To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jun 21 21: 4:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from nwcst287.netaddress.usa.net (nwcst287.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.23.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7B2C514E3B for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:04:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesus.monroy@usa.net) Received: (qmail 21770 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jun 1999 04:09:27 -0000 Message-ID: <19990622040927.21769.qmail@nwcst287.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.23.32 by nwcst287 via web-mailer(M3.2.0.17) on Tue Jun 22 04:09:27 GMT 1999 Date: 21 Jun 99 21:09:27 PDT From: Jesus Monroy To: Kelly Yancey , advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Announcing new distributed.net Team FreeBSD site] X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.2.0.17) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Kelly Yancey wrote: > = > key-cracking :) Currently, Team FreeBSD is ranked 23rd on > distributed.net's team rankings > (http://stats.distributed.net/rc5-64/tlist.php3?low=3D1&limit=3D100) wi= th a > meager 265 members. Let's get those numbers up! > = BUDS (http://www.mozie.com/projects/buds/) has been idle for about three weeks. The cluster is available. I've checked out the page. I can paste things together within about a week. Is there a way to make some = noize on this, rather than just addin my machines to the rolls. Don, any ideas??? --- "I'd rather pay for my freedom than live in a bitmapped, = pop-up-happy dungeon like NT." http://www.performancecomputing.com/features/9809of1.shtml ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jun 21 21: 8: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from pokey.local.net (tcs1-38.arl.netwalk.net [216.69.200.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6660314FD6 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:08:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmutter@netwalk.com) Received: from insomnia.local.net (insomnia.local.net [192.168.2.3]) by pokey.local.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA09243; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 00:07:32 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jmutter@insomnia.local.net) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 00:11:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "James A. Mutter" Reply-To: jmutter@netwalk.com To: Kris Kennaway Cc: Kelly Yancey , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Team FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :> That's it for the news. Now, I have a question: does anyone know who is :> freebsd@distributed.net? Since the rc5des client in the ports collection :> defaults to this e-mail address, and it's doing a decent keyrate, it would :> be nice if it would be a part of Team FreeBSD. But I need to know who to :> contact. : :Maybe freebsd@distributed.net? :-) Actually, isn't it more likely that it has such a high keyrate because it's many different people? For example, I've got 4 machines currently reporting to 1 address (jmutter@netwalk.com). I don't know if it's possible to track down who those keys belong to. Long shot I know, but would the distributed.net people be willing to move all of the "freebsd@freebsd.org" folks into Team FreeBSD? ******** On another note, has anyone looked in to contacting the Japan FreeBSD Users Group about joining with Team FreeBSD? I know that there is a question about where does the prize money go, but it probably wouldn't be difficult to keep track of who's who on both teams. With a little book keeping we could ensure that the prize money still went to the right team/owner. It would be nice to see a single, unified FreeBSD team. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jun 21 23:26:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from dazed.slacker.com (dazed.slacker.com [208.15.208.76]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8EFFF14F93 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 23:26:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fbsdlist@dazed.slacker.com) Received: (qmail 38569 invoked by uid 1012); 22 Jun 1999 06:26:39 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 01:26:39 -0500 From: David McNett To: "James A. Mutter" Cc: Kris Kennaway , Kelly Yancey , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Team FreeBSD Message-ID: <19990622012639.A38365@dazed.slacker.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: ; from James A. Mutter on Tue, Jun 22, 1999 at 12:11:31AM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE i386 X-Distributed: Join the Effort! http://www.distributed.net Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 22-Jun-1999, James A. Mutter wrote: > I don't know if it's possible to track down who those keys belong to. > > Long shot I know, but would the distributed.net people be willing to > move all of the "freebsd@freebsd.org" folks into Team FreeBSD? > > ******** > > On another note, has anyone looked in to contacting the Japan FreeBSD > Users Group about joining with Team FreeBSD? I know that there is a > question about where does the prize money go, but it probably wouldn't > be difficult to keep track of who's who on both teams. With a little > book keeping we could ensure that the prize money still went to the > right team/owner. It would be nice to see a single, unified FreeBSD > team. This is exactly why I'd be uncomfortable joining the "freebsd@freebsd.org" address to any specific FreeBSD team. There are seven teams in the stats database with "FreeBSD" in their name, and certainly both 988 and 1277 have a claim to those blocks. -- ________________________________________________________________________ |David McNett |To ensure privacy and data integrity this message has| |nugget@slacker.com|been encrypted using dual rounds of ROT-13 encryption| |Birmingham, AL USA|Please encrypt all important correspondence with PGP!| To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jun 22 0: 4: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from nf.enveng.titech.ac.jp (nf.enveng.titech.ac.jp [131.112.148.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDFBB14C37 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 00:03:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from masao@nf.enveng.titech.ac.jp) Received: from localhost (neon.enveng.titech.ac.jp [131.112.148.211]) by nf.enveng.titech.ac.jp (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA24601 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 15:58:36 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from masao@nf.enveng.titech.ac.jp) To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Team FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 22 Jun 1999 00:11:31 -0400 (EDT)" References: X-Mailer: Mew version 1.93 on Emacs 19.34 / Mule 2.3 (SUETSUMUHANA) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990622160723F.masao@nf.enveng.titech.ac.jp> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:07:23 +0900 From: UEBAYASHI Masao X-Dispatcher: imput version 980905(IM100) Lines: 12 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On another note, has anyone looked in to contacting the Japan FreeBSD > Users Group about joining with Team FreeBSD? I know that there is a Actually there is _not_ the Japan FreeBSD Users Group yet, though JP.FreeBSD.ORG domain, lists, and pages on it exist.I heard that they (not we :D) are supposed to corporate organization about this autumn. If you want to contact with JP.FreeBSD.ORG people, you may first look at http://www.jp.freebsd.org/ but there is no info about to whom you should write or talk, as far. :D Masao To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jun 22 5:26:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from srv1.thuntek.net (srv1.thuntek.net [206.206.98.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D5B314C85 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 05:26:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwilde1@thuntek.net) Received: from thuntek.net (abq-052.thuntek.net [207.66.52.52]) by srv1.thuntek.net (8.9.1/8.6.12TNT1.0) with ESMTP id GAA01118; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 06:26:23 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <376F7FFD.A1BFB69D@thuntek.net> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 06:22:21 -0600 From: Donald Wilde Reply-To: dwilde1@thuntek.net Organization: Wilde Media X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jesus Monroy Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Announcing new distributed.net Team FreeBSD site] References: <19990622040927.21769.qmail@nwcst287.netaddress.usa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jesus Monroy wrote: > > Kelly Yancey wrote: > > > > key-cracking :) Currently, Team FreeBSD is ranked 23rd on > > distributed.net's team rankings > > (http://stats.distributed.net/rc5-64/tlist.php3?low=1&limit=100) with a > > meager 265 members. Let's get those numbers up! > > > BUDS (http://www.mozie.com/projects/buds/) has been idle > for about three weeks. The cluster is available. > I've checked out the page. I can paste things together > within about a week. Is there a way to make some > noize on this, rather than just addin my machines to > the rolls. Don, any ideas??? > Izzat me Don you're asking? That's a pretty motley collection of hardware you've got there. We could write a press release, but then somebody's bound to point out that a single P-II can outperform your whole cluster -- even if it were running Neolithic Technology as an OS. The only take I could get would be something about resurrecting stuff from the junkyard for useful work. -- Donald Wilde "Bringing the Internet to everyone!" Wilde Media PMB 117, 1380 Rio Rancho Blvd SE v: 505-771-0709 f: 771-1356 Rio Rancho, New Mexico 87124 web: http://www.Wilde-Media.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jun 22 5:48:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from titan.metropolitan.at (mail.metropolitan.at [195.212.98.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D029C15329 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 05:48:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mladavac@metropolitan.at) Received: by TITAN with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 14:51:27 +0200 Message-ID: <55586E7391ACD211B9730000C110027617968F@r-lmh-wi-100.corpnet.at> From: Ladavac Marino To: "'dwilde1@thuntek.net'" , Jesus Monroy Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: RE: [Announcing new distributed.net Team FreeBSD site] Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 14:45:44 +0200 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > -----Original Message----- > From: Donald Wilde [SMTP:dwilde1@thuntek.net] > Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 1999 2:22 PM > To: Jesus Monroy > Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: [Announcing new distributed.net Team FreeBSD site] > > Jesus Monroy wrote: > > > > Kelly Yancey wrote: > > > > > > key-cracking :) Currently, Team FreeBSD is ranked 23rd on > > > distributed.net's team rankings > > > (http://stats.distributed.net/rc5-64/tlist.php3?low=1&limit=100) > with a > > > meager 265 members. Let's get those numbers up! > > > > > BUDS (http://www.mozie.com/projects/buds/) has been idle > > for about three weeks. The cluster is available. > > I've checked out the page. I can paste things together > > within about a week. Is there a way to make some > > noize on this, rather than just addin my machines to > > the rolls. Don, any ideas??? > > > Izzat me Don you're asking? That's a pretty motley collection of > hardware you've got there. We could write a press release, but then > somebody's bound to point out that a single P-II can outperform your > whole cluster -- even if it were running Neolithic Technology as an > OS. [ML] Outperform doing what? There's simply no way a PII would make a better space heater than the cluster, even if it makes a Nice Try :) > The only take I could get would be something about resurrecting stuff > from the junkyard for useful work. [ML] Hey, careful about junkyard! This reminds me of some people I know who put PIII and U2W SCSI disks as file servers on 16Mbps TokenRing, whereas your junkyard '486 saturates it just as well. /Marino > -- > Donald Wilde "Bringing the Internet to everyone!" > Wilde Media > PMB 117, 1380 Rio Rancho Blvd SE v: 505-771-0709 f: 771-1356 > Rio Rancho, New Mexico 87124 web: http://www.Wilde-Media.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jun 22 6:35:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from gta.com (mailgate.gta.com [199.120.225.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBAA614C15 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 06:35:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lab@gta.com) Received: from gta.com (GTA internal mail system) by gta.com id JAA07897; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 09:38:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 09:38:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Larry Baird Message-Id: <199906221338.JAA07897@gta.com> To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [uk advocacy] Article in Network Week X-Newsgroups: freebsd.advocacy In-Reply-To: Organization: Global Technology Associates, Inc. User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-980618 (UNIX) (FreeBSD/2.2.8-STABLE (i386)) Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article you wrote: > There's an introductory article entitled "Yes! There is intelligent > life beyond Linux" (!) in this weeks Network Week. > > The author (David Cartwright) is quite complimentary towards FreeBSD. > He explains the differences between stable and current versions. I met David while I was in London back in December. He came across as a writer that is really interested in covering and understanding technology. A welcome change from a lot of writers I have met (-:. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Larry Baird Global Technology Associates, Inc. | Orlando, FL Email: lab@gta.com | TEL 407-380-0220, FAX 407-380-6080 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jun 22 9: 2:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from kronos.alcnet.com (kronos.alcnet.com [63.69.28.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE5CB153B0 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 09:02:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kbyanc@alcnet.com) X-Provider: ALC Communications, Inc. http://www.alcnet.com/ Received: from kbyanc (ws-41.alcnet.com [63.69.28.41]) by kronos.alcnet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/antispam) with SMTP id MAA45387; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:13:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kelly Yancey" To: Cc: Subject: RE: [Announcing new distributed.net Team FreeBSD site] Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:12:23 -0400 Message-ID: <003a01bebcca$02e30280$291c453f@kbyanc.alcnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [ML] Outperform doing what? There's simply no way a PII would make a better space heater than the cluster, even if it makes a Nice Try:) > The only take I could get would be something about resurrecting stuff > from the junkyard for useful work. [ML] Hey, careful about junkyard! This reminds me of some people I know who put PIII and U2W SCSI disks as file servers on 16Mbps TokenRing, whereas your junkyard '486 saturates it just as well. /Marino> -- He has a point, I don't know how this would be impressive to people. Not to diminish the work, I checked out the site and it's a neat project...just as Jesus Monroy said, though, it's a lot of junk computers. The team welcomes any computers it can get, but I just don't know what would make the BUDS project standout...looking at the BUDS archetecture, it would seem that you would still have to run the client on each and every machine separately which would be no different than anyone else's network of standalone PCs. Now if you could get it to run a single client with the threads distributed across computers... ;) So, yes, it would be great if BUDS would contribute to Team FreeBSD. But I don't what press could come out of it. I'm working on getting team member's stats plotted so you could put the graph on the BUDS website showing the work it is doing, but that's about all I can think of. Now if I could only graph the heat produced while processing keys... :) Thanks, Kelly ~kbyanc@posi.net~ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve - http://www.freebsd.org/ Join Team FreeBSD - http://www.posi.net/freebsd/Team-FreeBSD To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jun 22 10: 9:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mother.vastrightwingconspiracy.gov (ppp31.internexus.net [206.152.14.223]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB25215458 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:09:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cliff@cliffsworld.com) Received: from cliffsworld.com (localhost.vastrightwingconspiracy.gov [127.0.0.1]) by mother.vastrightwingconspiracy.gov (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA02181 for ; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 15:12:16 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from cliff@cliffsworld.com) Message-ID: <32CC16A0.3772A3C8@cliffsworld.com> Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 15:12:16 -0500 From: cliff ainsworth III Reply-To: freebsd@cliffsworld.com Organization: cliffsworld media X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: rc5 and PVM? References: <003a01bebcca$02e30280$291c453f@kbyanc.alcnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Is it possible to use run the rc5 client under FreeBSDs port of PVM http://www.epm.ornl.gov/pvm/pvm_home.html -cliff To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jun 22 11:33:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from peloton.physics.montana.edu (peloton.physics.montana.edu [153.90.192.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EADF214D4D for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:33:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu) Received: from localhost (brett@localhost) by peloton.physics.montana.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA00257; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:32:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:32:24 -0600 (MDT) From: Brett Taylor To: Kris Kennaway Cc: Kelly Yancey , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Team FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi On Tue, 22 Jun 1999, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Mon, 21 Jun 1999, Kelly Yancey wrote: > > That's it for the news. Now, I have a question: does anyone know who > > is freebsd@distributed.net? Since the rc5des client in the ports > > collection defaults to this e-mail address, and it's doing a decent > > keyrate, it would be nice if it would be a part of Team FreeBSD. But > > I need to know who to contact. > > Maybe freebsd@distributed.net? :-) I'd guess: MAINTAINER= dbaker@distributed.net Anyway, I'm doing seti@home - it's more fun for me than cracking keys - I did rc5 for a year or so and their still not even 10% through the keyspace. And besides Team FreeBSD is 4th at Seti (in clubs) and right now although we have 1/13 the members as Team Slashdot, we have only 5 x less the # of blocks. Imagine if we had equal (or even say 5x the members we have now)! :-) Brett *********************************************************** Brett Taylor brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu * brett@daemonnews.org * * http://www.daemonnews.org/ * *********************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jun 22 11:59:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from sumatra.americantv.com (sumatra.americantv.com [208.139.222.227]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76F62156D3 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:58:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jlemon@americantv.com) Received: from right.PCS (right.PCS [148.105.10.31]) by sumatra.americantv.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA11370; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:58:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from free.pcs (free.PCS [148.105.10.51]) by right.PCS (8.6.13/8.6.4) with ESMTP id NAA21682; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:58:30 -0500 Received: (from jlemon@localhost) by free.pcs (8.8.6/8.8.5) id NAA01400; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:58:30 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:58:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Jonathan Lemon Message-Id: <199906221858.NAA01400@free.pcs> To: brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu, advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Team FreeBSD X-Newsgroups: local.mail.freebsd-advocacy In-Reply-To: Organization: Architecture and Operating System Fanatics Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article you write: >Hi > >On Tue, 22 Jun 1999, Kris Kennaway wrote: > >> On Mon, 21 Jun 1999, Kelly Yancey wrote: > >> > That's it for the news. Now, I have a question: does anyone know who >> > is freebsd@distributed.net? Since the rc5des client in the ports >> > collection defaults to this e-mail address, and it's doing a decent >> > keyrate, it would be nice if it would be a part of Team FreeBSD. But >> > I need to know who to contact. >> >> Maybe freebsd@distributed.net? :-) > >I'd guess: > MAINTAINER= dbaker@distributed.net > >Anyway, I'm doing seti@home - it's more fun for me than cracking keys - I >did rc5 for a year or so and their still not even 10% through the >keyspace. > >And besides Team FreeBSD is 4th at Seti (in clubs) and right now although >we have 1/13 the members as Team Slashdot, we have only 5 x less the # of >blocks. Imagine if we had equal (or even say 5x the members we have now)! Has Seti fixed the "duplicate blocks"? I quit running their client on several of my machines when it was discovered that they were just sending the same blocks out. -- Jonathan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jun 22 12: 0:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from peloton.physics.montana.edu (peloton.physics.montana.edu [153.90.192.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD28015752 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:00:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu) Received: from localhost (brett@localhost) by peloton.physics.montana.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA00430; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:59:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:59:35 -0600 (MDT) From: Brett Taylor To: Jonathan Lemon Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Team FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199906221858.NAA01400@free.pcs> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi On Tue, 22 Jun 1999, Jonathan Lemon wrote: > Has Seti fixed the "duplicate blocks"? I quit running their client > on several of my machines when it was discovered that they were just > sending the same blocks out. Yep - it's been fixed for at least 2 weeks. (I stopped too) Brett *********************************************************** Brett Taylor brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu * brett@daemonnews.org * * http://www.daemonnews.org/ * *********************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jun 22 13:50:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from nwcst286.netaddress.usa.net (nwcst286.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.23.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 13F9B14DF9 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:50:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesus.monroy@usa.net) Received: (qmail 4835 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jun 1999 20:58:09 -0000 Message-ID: <19990622205809.4834.qmail@nwcst286.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.23.31 by nwcst286 via web-mailer(M3.2.0.17) on Tue Jun 22 20:58:09 GMT 1999 Date: 22 Jun 99 13:58:09 PDT From: Jesus Monroy To: UEBAYASHI Masao , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [Re: Team FreeBSD] X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.2.0.17) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG UEBAYASHI Masao wrote: > If you want to contact with JP.FreeBSD.ORG people, you may first look > at http://www.jp.freebsd.org/ but there is no info about to whom you > should write or talk, as far. :D > ^^^ Why do you do this? At first I did not know what it was. I thought it was a typo, a mistake. Now it looks like insincerity (Not Sincere). --- "I'd rather pay for my freedom than live in a bitmapped, = pop-up-happy dungeon like NT." http://www.performancecomputing.com/features/9809of1.shtml ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jun 22 14:21:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from www0j.netaddress.usa.net (www0j.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 705EA15479 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 14:21:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesus.monroy@usa.net) Received: (qmail 4457 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jun 1999 21:21:28 -0000 Message-ID: <19990622212128.4456.qmail@www0j.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.39 by www0j via web-mailer(M3.2.0.17) on Tue Jun 22 21:21:27 GMT 1999 Date: 22 Jun 99 14:21:27 PDT From: Jesus Monroy To: dwilde1@thuntek.net Subject: Re: [Re: [Announcing new distributed.net Team FreeBSD site]] Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.2.0.17) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Donald Wilde wrote: > Jesus Monroy wrote: > > = > > BUDS (http://www.mozie.com/projects/buds/) has been idle > > for about three weeks. The cluster is available. > > I've checked out the page. I can paste things together > > within about a week. Is there a way to make some > > noize on this, rather than just addin my machines to > > the rolls. Don, any ideas??? > > = > Izzat me Don you're asking? That's a pretty motley collection of > hardware you've got there. We could write a press release, but then > somebody's bound to point out that a single P-II can outperform your > whole cluster -- even if it were running Neolithic Technology as an OS.= > The only take I could get would be something about resurrecting stuff > from the junkyard for useful work. > I should be clear on this because we are having misuderstanding already. = First, I am working on this cluster so that misconceptions, such as those you are presenting can go to the wayside. In short, your supposition is not correct. It is correct under certain sineros (sp?) that what you say WILL happen, but this is NOT the underlying case. = There is a deep misuderstanding of parallel computing, your comments are evidence to that fact. = Next, I have plenty of PII systems to dedicate to this system. Parallel computing is concerned with making results happen on a parallel basis. Plainly you're missing the point of parallel computing and the point of this project (BUDS). In short, you're asking for spinning wheel and fireworks. My opinion is you are taking a rather short sighted view of this and perhaps this might be a place to sharpen your = marketing skills. I never had a problem pitching. I can see many thing here to pitch, but I'm overloaded with work and customer yelling. I'm asking for help and a minor miracle. A miracel no smaller than that which help push this this OS (*BSD) into the public domain from the hands of AT&T. More to the point I'm trying to make an honest effort, had I been a LINUXhead would treat me so barshly. If so, you might want to consider an underlying arrogance that will hold back *BSD. If the whole thing doesn't suit your framework, then call me a nutcase. That might get the press interested. --- "I'd rather pay for my freedom than live in a bitmapped, = pop-up-happy dungeon like NT." http://www.performancecomputing.com/features/9809of1.shtml ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jun 22 14:24:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from nwcst291.netaddress.usa.net (nwcst291.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.23.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 28ED71549F for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 14:24:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesus.monroy@usa.net) Received: (qmail 3819 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jun 1999 21:27:12 -0000 Message-ID: <19990622212712.3818.qmail@nwcst291.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.23.36 by nwcst291 via web-mailer(M3.2.0.17) on Tue Jun 22 21:27:12 GMT 1999 Date: 22 Jun 99 14:27:12 PDT From: Jesus Monroy To: Ladavac Marino , dwilde1@thuntek.net Subject: Re: [RE: [Announcing new distributed.net Team FreeBSD site]] Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.2.0.17) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ladavac Marino wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Donald Wilde [SMTP:dwilde1@thuntek.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 1999 2:22 PM > > To: Jesus Monroy > > Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > > Subject: Re: [Announcing new distributed.net Team FreeBSD site] > > = > > Jesus Monroy wrote: > > > = > > > Kelly Yancey wrote: > > > > > > > within about a week. Is there a way to make some > > > noize on this, rather than just addin my machines to > > > the rolls. Don, any ideas??? > > > = > > Izzat me Don you're asking? That's a pretty motley collection of > > hardware you've got there. We could write a press release, but then > > somebody's bound to point out that a single P-II can outperform your > > whole cluster -- even if it were running Neolithic Technology as an > > OS. > [ML] Outperform doing what? There's simply no way a PII would > make a better space heater than the cluster, even if it makes a Nice Tr= y > :) > = Yes, Thank you..... :-) > > The only take I could get would be something about resurrecting stuff= > > from the junkyard for useful work. > [ML] Hey, careful about junkyard! This reminds me of some > people I know who put PIII and U2W SCSI disks as file servers on 16Mbps= > TokenRing, whereas your junkyard '486 saturates it just as well. > = We'll there are still a few people that know about computing. :-) --- "I'd rather pay for my freedom than live in a bitmapped, = pop-up-happy dungeon like NT." http://www.performancecomputing.com/features/9809of1.shtml ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jun 22 14:30:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from www0i.netaddress.usa.net (www0i.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 188CD14C25 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 14:30:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesus.monroy@usa.net) Received: (qmail 26525 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jun 1999 21:30:22 -0000 Message-ID: <19990622213022.26524.qmail@www0i.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.38 by www0i via web-mailer(M3.2.0.17) on Tue Jun 22 21:30:22 GMT 1999 Date: 22 Jun 99 14:30:22 PDT From: Jesus Monroy To: Kelly Yancey , Subject: Re: [RE: [Announcing new distributed.net Team FreeBSD site]] Cc: X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.2.0.17) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Kelly Yancey" wrote: > [ML] Outperform doing what? There's simply no way a PII would > make a better space heater than the cluster, even if it > makes a Nice Try:) > > The only take I could get would be something about resurrecting stuff= > > from the junkyard for useful work. > = > [ML] Hey, careful about junkyard! This reminds me of some > people I know who put PIII and U2W SCSI disks as file > servers on 16Mbps TokenRing, whereas your junkyard '486 > saturates it just as well. /Marino> -- > = > He has a point, I don't know how this would be impressive to people. = Not > to diminish the work, I checked out the site and it's a neat project...= just > as Jesus Monroy said, though, it's a lot of junk computers. The team > welcomes any computers it can get, but I just don't know what would mak= e the > BUDS project standout...looking at the BUDS archetecture, it would seem= that > you would still have to run the client on each and every machine separa= tely > which would be no different than anyone else's network of standalone PC= s. > Now if you could get it to run a single client with the threads distrib= uted > across computers... ;) > I appreciate your comments. = I have will consider some opinions today. 'Threads' will not be in them. Threads are to sychronize and qualfiy not and item for = efficeny or effectiveness. > So, yes, it would be great if BUDS would contribute to Team FreeBSD. = But I > don't what press could come out of it. I'm working on getting team memb= er's > stats plotted so you could put the graph on the BUDS website showing th= e > work it is doing, but that's about all I can think of. > = > Now if I could only graph the heat produced while processing keys... = :) > = That might be worth considering. :-) --- "I'd rather pay for my freedom than live in a bitmapped, = pop-up-happy dungeon like NT." http://www.performancecomputing.com/features/9809of1.shtml ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jun 22 15: 0:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E009D14D24 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 15:00:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA78066; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 15:00:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Jesus Monroy Cc: dwilde1@thuntek.net, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [Re: [Announcing new distributed.net Team FreeBSD site]] In-reply-to: Your message of "22 Jun 1999 14:21:27 PDT." <19990622212128.4456.qmail@www0j.netaddress.usa.net> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 15:00:09 -0700 Message-ID: <78062.930088809@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > If the whole thing doesn't suit your framework, then call me > a nutcase. That might get the press interested. Nah, I've called you a nutcase in public a countless number of times and the press has yet to show any active interest. Not that I necessarily blame them - why report on things that are already well-known? :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jun 22 15:49:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from respondhere.net (unknown [209.185.190.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 354D5154F2; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 15:49:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lexington@email.com) Received: from email.com [38.26.24.90] by respondhere.net (SMTPD32-5.00) id A2F210320; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 18:49:22 EDT From: Subject: TESTMAILING Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 18:48:31 Message-Id: <309.363169.156458@unknown> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dear Candidate, You were recently appointed by The Office of the Managing Directors for a free listing in the Millenium Edition of Lexington Publishing Who's Who Directory. 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IF you no longer wish to receive our Exclusive Newsletter containing critical updates to your Career data and other offers from Lexington Who's Who simply goto the following website to be removed. http://www.lexingtonwhoswho.net/remove.htm To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jun 22 16:21:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from unknown (ppp-79-109.oysterbay.nais.com [204.253.79.109]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5CF1914CD1; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:21:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jimsmith@aol.com) From: Subject: CERTIFIED GIFTED PSYCHICS Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:13:02 Message-Id: <19.584332.630057@unknown> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG TALK TO THE WORLDS GREATEST PSYCHICS 1 800 592 7827 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jun 22 19: 9:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from srv1.thuntek.net (srv1.thuntek.net [206.206.98.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46DCE14F94 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:09:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwilde1@thuntek.net) Received: from thuntek.net (abq-150.thuntek.net [207.66.52.150]) by srv1.thuntek.net (8.9.1/8.6.12TNT1.0) with ESMTP id UAA01985; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 20:09:11 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <377040F4.4D3B54B8@thuntek.net> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 20:05:40 -0600 From: Donald Wilde Reply-To: dwilde1@thuntek.net Organization: Wilde Media X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jesus Monroy Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Re: [Announcing new distributed.net Team FreeBSD site]] References: <19990622212128.4456.qmail@www0j.netaddress.usa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Please don't take me wrong, Jesus. I think it's a great development platform from which to GET somewhere, just as freebsd is a great starting point for a web "killer app". However, I don't see (at least from your homepage) that you're doing anything in parallel YET except synchronous starting and stopping of processes which are discrete and already on each computer's hard disk. I'm sorry if I offended you with the word "junk". Shit, my "target" machine is a 486 lunchbox. However, words aside, the reality is that a network does not a parallel machine make. You've got a place to start from, but you've still got to build the parallel code and produce results, just as I have to build code before my beloved FreeBSD will become a killer app. There's no news in a bunch of machines hooked together and working in lockstep, it's been done before. What's really new? Is there something really new? I didn't see it on your website, and I'm a programmer. You've got to have something that a beancounter or a suit can say "wow" to, and I don't see it. I'm not going to manufacture hocus pocus out of vaporware, sorry. I leave that to Microshit Corp. If it's arrogance to insist that you give me something WORTH shouting about before I open my mouth, then damn fucking right I'm arrogant -- and proud of it. THAT is the BSD way: performance counts. I'm sorry you took it wrong, but it wasn't a miracle that got BSD released, it was a hard fight by a lot of determined people. I don't have the time to add my coding shoulder to your wheel, that's what you really need at this point. Damn, guy, I know what a parallel machine is, I've hooked together distributed systems with thousands of microcontrollers spread over 10 square miles and a tell-me-thrice multicpu controller on top of it. You give me something real, and I'll gladly shout it around the globe, so loud we'll turn Aricebo inside out from the reflections off the moon, but I can't work from a wish and a prayer. You get Gary Kline (tao@thought.org, I think) to tell me you've got something real here, or you show me something more integrated than socket-spawning over a network, and we can talk press. Until then, please don't ask to get laughed at. I wasn't laughing. If you read my reply you'll see that I was being rather gentle, but putting out a PR about a toy network will get you/us/FreeBSD laughed off slashdot and everywhere else. -- Donald Wilde "Bringing the Internet to everyone!" Wilde Media PMB 117, 1380 Rio Rancho Blvd SE v: 505-771-0709 f: 771-1356 Rio Rancho, New Mexico 87124 web: http://www.Wilde-Media.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jun 22 19:16:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from srv1.thuntek.net (srv1.thuntek.net [206.206.98.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B755714F94 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:16:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwilde1@thuntek.net) Received: from thuntek.net (abq-150.thuntek.net [207.66.52.150]) by srv1.thuntek.net (8.9.1/8.6.12TNT1.0) with ESMTP id UAA03376; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 20:16:00 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3770428D.35841EB9@thuntek.net> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 20:12:29 -0600 From: Donald Wilde Reply-To: dwilde1@thuntek.net Organization: Wilde Media X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brett Taylor Cc: Kris Kennaway , Kelly Yancey , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Team FreeBSD References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hmmm... I should switch my blocks to TFBSD. To my mind, SETI is a much more worthwhile project than RC5. How do I switch, especially in mid-stream? -- Donald Wilde "Bringing the Internet to everyone!" Wilde Media PMB 117, 1380 Rio Rancho Blvd SE v: 505-771-0709 f: 771-1356 Rio Rancho, New Mexico 87124 web: http://www.Wilde-Media.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jun 22 19:21:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.36.247]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 363A714F94 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:21:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kkennawa@physics.adelaide.edu.au) Received: from bragg (bragg [129.127.36.34]) by adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/UofA-1.5) with SMTP id LAA12704; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 11:51:10 +0930 (CST) Received: from localhost by bragg; (5.65/1.1.8.2/05Aug95-0227PM) id AA14647; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 11:50:55 +0930 Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 11:50:55 +0930 (CST) From: Kris Kennaway X-Sender: kkennawa@bragg To: Donald Wilde Cc: Brett Taylor , Kelly Yancey , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Team FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <3770428D.35841EB9@thuntek.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 22 Jun 1999, Donald Wilde wrote: > Hmmm... I should switch my blocks to TFBSD. To my mind, SETI is a much > more worthwhile project than RC5. How do I switch, especially in > mid-stream? There's a facility on the distributed.net website to join a team - this assigns all of your block history to the team stats. Kris ----- "Never criticize anybody until you have walked a mile in their shoes, because by that time you will be a mile away and have their shoes." -- Unknown To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jun 23 3:49:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from nwcst312.netaddress.usa.net (nwcst312.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.23.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7491314DEC for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 03:49:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesus.monroy@usa.net) Received: (qmail 24987 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jun 1999 10:49:19 -0000 Message-ID: <19990623104919.24986.qmail@nwcst312.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.23.57 by nwcst312 via web-mailer(M3.2.0.17) on Wed Jun 23 10:49:18 GMT 1999 Date: 23 Jun 99 03:49:18 PDT From: Jesus Monroy To: Jordan K.Hubbard Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Announcing new distributed.net Team FreeBSD site]] ] Cc: dwilde1@thuntek.net, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.2.0.17) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > > If the whole thing doesn't suit your framework, then call me > > a nutcase. That might get the press interested. > = > Nah, I've called you a nutcase in public a countless number of times > and the press has yet to show any active interest. Not that I > necessarily blame them - why report on things that are already > well-known? :) > = The amazing thing is that if I get heated for more than a moment I know I can always depend on you, but this was a bit weak. ;-> = --- "I'd rather pay for my freedom than live in a bitmapped, = pop-up-happy dungeon like NT." http://www.performancecomputing.com/features/9809of1.shtml ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jun 23 6:34:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from nwcst323.netaddress.usa.net (nwcst323.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.23.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1745F1518F for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 06:34:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesus.monroy@usa.net) Received: (qmail 22680 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jun 1999 13:34:28 -0000 Message-ID: <19990623133428.22679.qmail@nwcst323.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.23.68 by nwcst323 via web-mailer(M3.2.0.17) on Wed Jun 23 13:34:28 GMT 1999 Date: 23 Jun 99 06:34:28 PDT From: Jesus Monroy To: doc@freebsd.org, advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Survey: online documentation 15% incorrect X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.2.0.17) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Document: Documentation errors in FreeBSD Run Date: 6/17/99 Description: The following is a listing of incomplete, ambigous or failed references for FreeBSD using whatit(1) and man(1). This survey was conducted using FreeBSD 3.1. A complete Listing can be found at: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Hub/8031/psuedo-indicators/fbsduti= ls.html Score: directory no reference ambigous reference other total available /bin 0 1 1 2 32 /sbin 8 5 0 13 82 /usr/bin 42 33 0 75 394 /usr/sbin 8 7 2 17 183 ---- ---- total total 107 691 Final Score 107.0/691.0 =3D 0.1548 (15.5%= ) --- "I'd rather pay for my freedom than live in a bitmapped, = pop-up-happy dungeon like NT." http://www.performancecomputing.com/features/9809of1.shtml ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jun 23 6:37:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from srv1.thuntek.net (srv1.thuntek.net [206.206.98.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89864151F5 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 06:37:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwilde1@thuntek.net) Received: from thuntek.net (abq-039.thuntek.net [207.66.52.39]) by srv1.thuntek.net (8.9.1/8.6.12TNT1.0) with ESMTP id HAA18158; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 07:36:04 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3770E20C.4ADE8701@thuntek.net> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 07:33:00 -0600 From: Donald Wilde Reply-To: dwilde1@thuntek.net Organization: Wilde Media X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kris Kennaway Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Team FreeBSD References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG No, Kris, I don't want to join RC5 team, I want to join SETI team... ;-) I'd much rather know whether the Bugs are friendly than to waste my (computers') time on cracking a safe that has nothing in it. -- Donald Wilde "Bringing the Internet to everyone!" Wilde Media PMB 117, 1380 Rio Rancho Blvd SE v: 505-771-0709 f: 771-1356 Rio Rancho, New Mexico 87124 web: http://www.Wilde-Media.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jun 23 7:38:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from peloton.physics.montana.edu (peloton.physics.montana.edu [153.90.192.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 295DD14C33 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 07:38:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu) Received: from localhost (brett@localhost) by peloton.physics.montana.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA04391; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 08:36:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 08:36:23 -0600 (MDT) From: Brett Taylor To: Donald Wilde Cc: Kris Kennaway , Kelly Yancey , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Team FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <3770428D.35841EB9@thuntek.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Don, On Tue, 22 Jun 1999, Donald Wilde wrote: > Hmmm... I should switch my blocks to TFBSD. To my mind, SETI is a much > more worthwhile project than RC5. How do I switch, especially in > mid-stream? It's not clear to me whether you want to switch your blocks on SETI or RC5, but if you mean SETI then go to: http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_3631.html And click on the "Join this group" at the top. :-) Brett *********************************************************** Brett Taylor brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu * brett@daemonnews.org * * http://www.daemonnews.org/ * *********************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jun 23 8:30:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from kronos.alcnet.com (kronos.alcnet.com [63.69.28.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26DB0153A6 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 08:30:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kbyanc@alcnet.com) X-Provider: ALC Communications, Inc. http://www.alcnet.com/ Received: from kbyanc (ws-41.alcnet.com [63.69.28.41]) by kronos.alcnet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/antispam) with SMTP id LAA68417; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 11:42:08 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kelly Yancey" To: "Brett Taylor" Cc: Subject: RE: Team FreeBSD Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 11:40:41 -0400 Message-ID: <000901bebd8e$bfcf6b80$291c453f@kbyanc.alcnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Hi > > On Tue, 22 Jun 1999, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > > On Mon, 21 Jun 1999, Kelly Yancey wrote: > > > > That's it for the news. Now, I have a question: does anyone know who > > > is freebsd@distributed.net? Since the rc5des client in the ports > > > collection defaults to this e-mail address, and it's doing a decent > > > keyrate, it would be nice if it would be a part of Team FreeBSD. But > > > I need to know who to contact. > > > > Maybe freebsd@distributed.net? :-) > > I'd guess: > MAINTAINER= dbaker@distributed.net > > Anyway, I'm doing seti@home - it's more fun for me than cracking keys - I > did rc5 for a year or so and their still not even 10% through the > keyspace. > And how far is seta@home along in finding little green men? ;) I have to admit that finding evidence of extraterrestial life would be one of the great, if not the greatest, milestone of mankind...but how long is it going to take? 1 year? 10 years? 100 years? In the meantime, I personally can derive a greater sense of accomplishment from more readily accomplishable tasks. True, cracking digital encryption isn't as sexy, but it has a tangible timeframe to completion. Also, distributed.net is organizing other, more practical, projects including OGR. Which when available, I intend to put equivalent effort into pushing Team FreeBSD to the top of that effort's rankings. But again, there are just my personal beliefs, since we were sharing :) > And besides Team FreeBSD is 4th at Seti (in clubs) and right now although > we have 1/13 the members as Team Slashdot, we have only 5 x less the # of > blocks. Imagine if we had equal (or even say 5x the members we have now)! > :-) > That's great...just another way to draw more attention to FreeBSD. There should be plenty enough idle cycles among FreeBSD users to push FreeBSD to the top of both distributed.net's and seta@home's team rankings. It's just a matter of drumming up support. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jun 23 8:45:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from srv1.thuntek.net (srv1.thuntek.net [206.206.98.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87D7814C1B for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 08:45:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwilde1@thuntek.net) Received: from thuntek.net (abq-163.thuntek.net [207.66.52.163]) by srv1.thuntek.net (8.9.1/8.6.12TNT1.0) with ESMTP id JAA15228; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:45:30 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <37710068.45691461@thuntek.net> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:42:32 -0600 From: Donald Wilde Reply-To: dwilde1@thuntek.net Organization: Wilde Media X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kelly Yancey Cc: Brett Taylor , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Team FreeBSD References: <000901bebd8e$bfcf6b80$291c453f@kbyanc.alcnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Kelly Yancey wrote: > > I have to admit that finding evidence of extraterrestial life would be > one of the great, if not the greatest, milestone of mankind...but how long > is it going to take? 1 year? 10 years? 100 years? In the meantime, I > personally can derive a greater sense of accomplishment from more readily > accomplishable tasks. True, cracking digital encryption isn't as sexy, but > it has a tangible timeframe to completion. Also, distributed.net is > organizing other, more practical, projects including OGR. Which when > available, I intend to put equivalent effort into pushing Team FreeBSD > to the top of that effort's rankings. > But again, there are just my personal beliefs, since we were sharing :) > SETI could be 5 minutes from finding the Bugs... or it could be 500 years. What matters is the benefit -- whether they're friendly or not =8-O -- not the work. If you crack an RC5 key, you're only cracking ONE message's code, and we already know IT CAN BE DONE, given enough cycles. -- Donald Wilde "Bringing the Internet to everyone!" Wilde Media PMB 117, 1380 Rio Rancho Blvd SE v: 505-771-0709 f: 771-1356 Rio Rancho, New Mexico 87124 web: http://www.Wilde-Media.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jun 23 12: 9:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from kronos.alcnet.com (kronos.alcnet.com [63.69.28.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9140D14CA7 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 12:09:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kbyanc@alcnet.com) X-Provider: ALC Communications, Inc. http://www.alcnet.com/ Received: from kbyanc (ws-41.alcnet.com [63.69.28.41]) by kronos.alcnet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/antispam) with SMTP id PAA74120 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 15:21:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kelly Yancey" To: Subject: Team FreeBSD progress charts Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 15:20:21 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01bebdad$6feac000$291c453f@kbyanc.alcnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sorry for sending another update so closely after the last. Let me first say thanks to all of the people who had responded to my question of who owned the freebsd@distributed.net e-mail address. Not surprisingly, the answer was David McNett (the maintainer of the rc5des port). As for having freebsd@distributed.net join Team FreeBSD, David made a good point that there are several FreeBSD-related teams (actually only 3 which are active), and it would be unfair to just give the blocks completed by people using the freebsd@distributed.net address in the clients to any one of the teams. This is unfortunate (well, for Team FreeBSD), and I can only encourage partipants interested in pushing Team FreeBSD to #1 in the distributed.net stats to make sure their clients are submitting blocks using their personal e-mail addresses rather than the default freebsd@distributed.net address (and then joining the team, of course). Instructions for joining the team and for verifying which e-mail address you are submitting key blocks as are on the Team FreeBSD site at http://www.posi.net/freebsd/Team-FreeBSD/ Now, what this posting is really about...the Team FreeBSD progress charts are now on-line at http://www.posi.net/freebsd/Team-FreeBSD/graphs/ which include plots of the team's progress updated daily. Their are graphs of the team's keyrate and the number of blocks completed, as well as graphs comparing our progress to our immediate neighbors in the teams rankings. Since anyone can get the latest news on Team FreeBSD from our web site, I promise I won't say anything else about Team FreeBSD here on -advocacy for a while :) ... that is, not until I can participant stats graphs on-line too. Thanks for all the support! Team FreeBSD's average keyrate has been increasing steadily and hopefully with a little more participation we can really start climbing up the rankings (we've got some stiff competition). Kelly ~kbyanc@posi.net~ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve - http://www.freebsd.org/ Join Team FreeBSD - http://www.posi.net/freebsd/Team-FreeBSD To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jun 23 12:28:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F3BC14FBB; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 12:28:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id FAA01997; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 05:27:43 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19990624052739.54552@welearn.com.au> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 05:27:39 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Jesus Monroy Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Survey: online documentation 15% incorrect References: <19990623133428.22679.qmail@nwcst323.netaddress.usa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <19990623133428.22679.qmail@nwcst323.netaddress.usa.net>; from Jesus Monroy on Wed, Jun 23, 1999 at 06:34:28AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Jun 23, 1999 at 06:34:28AM -0700, Jesus Monroy wrote: > Document: Documentation errors in FreeBSD > Run Date: 6/17/99 > Description: The following is a listing of incomplete, ambigous or > failed references for FreeBSD using whatit(1) and man(1). Documentation survey notice 50% incorrect: No information can be obtained for whatit(1). -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jun 23 14:49:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mcp.csh.rit.edu (mcp.csh.rit.edu [129.21.60.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA0A914C4F for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 14:49:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from markd@csh.rit.edu) Received: from gibson.csh.rit.edu (IDENT:markd@gibson.csh.rit.edu [129.21.60.15]) by mcp.csh.rit.edu (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA11594 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 17:49:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark Dunham Received: (from markd@localhost) by gibson.csh.rit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17816 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 17:49:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 17:49:04 -0400 To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Team FreeBSD Message-ID: <19990623174902.A12903@csh.rit.edu> References: <000901bebd8e$bfcf6b80$291c453f@kbyanc.alcnet.com> <37710068.45691461@thuntek.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.5i In-Reply-To: <37710068.45691461@thuntek.net>; from Donald Wilde on Wed, Jun 23, 1999 at 09:42:32AM -0600 X-Operating-System: OSF1 alpha Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Jun 23, 1999 at 09:42:32AM -0600, Donald Wilde wrote: > Kelly Yancey wrote: > > > > I have to admit that finding evidence of extraterrestial life would be > > one of the great, if not the greatest, milestone of mankind...but how long > > is it going to take? 1 year? 10 years? 100 years? In the meantime, I > > personally can derive a greater sense of accomplishment from more readily > > accomplishable tasks. True, cracking digital encryption isn't as sexy, but > > it has a tangible timeframe to completion. Also, distributed.net is > > organizing other, more practical, projects including OGR. Which when > > available, I intend to put equivalent effort into pushing Team FreeBSD > > to the top of that effort's rankings. > > But again, there are just my personal beliefs, since we were sharing :) > > > SETI could be 5 minutes from finding the Bugs... or it could be 500 > years. What matters is the benefit -- whether they're friendly or not > =8-O -- not the work. > > If you crack an RC5 key, you're only cracking ONE message's code, and we > already know IT CAN BE DONE, given enough cycles. I like to devote my idle cycles to something I find to be slightly more productive. The Great Internet Mersenne Prime Search is moderatly useful, and theres a big 'ol prize, too. Check out www.mersenne.org/prime.htm for more info y'all. Mark > -- > Donald Wilde "Bringing the Internet to everyone!" > Wilde Media > PMB 117, 1380 Rio Rancho Blvd SE v: 505-771-0709 f: 771-1356 > Rio Rancho, New Mexico 87124 web: http://www.Wilde-Media.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jun 23 16:13:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.36.247]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3C0514D66 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 16:13:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kkennawa@physics.adelaide.edu.au) Received: from bragg (bragg [129.127.36.34]) by adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/UofA-1.5) with SMTP id IAA25001; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 08:43:13 +0930 (CST) Received: from localhost by bragg; (5.65/1.1.8.2/05Aug95-0227PM) id AA19745; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 23:13:10 +0930 Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 23:13:06 +0930 (CST) From: Kris Kennaway X-Sender: kkennawa@bragg To: Donald Wilde Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Team FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <3770E20C.4ADE8701@thuntek.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 23 Jun 1999, Donald Wilde wrote: > No, Kris, I don't want to join RC5 team, I want to join SETI team... ;-) > I'd much rather know whether the Bugs are friendly than to waste my > (computers') time on cracking a safe that has nothing in it. Oh, sorry - misunderstood the context. Probably somewhere on the seti@home website :-) Kris ----- "Never criticize anybody until you have walked a mile in their shoes, because by that time you will be a mile away and have their shoes." -- Unknown To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jun 23 16:31: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from nwcst289.netaddress.usa.net (nwcst289.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.23.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 38C9B14D2E for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 16:30:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesus.monroy@usa.net) Received: (qmail 20447 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jun 1999 23:37:06 -0000 Message-ID: <19990623233706.20445.qmail@nwcst289.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.23.34 by nwcst289 via web-mailer(M3.2.0.17) on Wed Jun 23 23:37:06 GMT 1999 Date: 23 Jun 99 16:37:06 PDT From: Jesus Monroy To: Mark Dunham , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Re: Team FreeBSD] X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.2.0.17) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mark Dunham wrote: > On Wed, Jun 23, 1999 at 09:42:32AM -0600, Donald Wilde wrote: > = > > Kelly Yancey wrote: > > SETI could be 5 minutes from finding the Bugs... or it could be 500 > > years. What matters is the benefit -- whether they're friendly or not= > > =3D8-O -- not the work. > > = > > If you crack an RC5 key, you're only cracking ONE message's code, and= > > we already know IT CAN BE DONE, given enough cycles. = > = > = > I like to devote my idle cycles to something I find to be slightly more= = > productive. The Great Internet Mersenne Prime Search is moderatly = > useful, and theres a big 'ol prize, too. Check out > www.mersenne.org/prime.htm for = > more info y'all. = > = I working on GIMPS also, but unfortunely they are on my '95 and NT machines. I rather do it on FreeBSD but I've got to load the Linux emulator.... poop, poop, no. I've spent all my energy and time just to slow down my machine.. NO thanks I'll run it on windoze instead. --- "I'd rather pay for my freedom than live in a bitmapped, = pop-up-happy dungeon like NT." http://www.performancecomputing.com/features/9809of1.shtml ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jun 23 17:15:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from fed-ef1.frb.gov (fed.frb.gov [132.200.32.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E070F14F30 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 17:15:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from seth@freebie.dp.ny.frb.org) Received: by fed-ef1.frb.gov; id UAA22132; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 20:15:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m1pmdf.frb.gov(192.168.3.38) by fed.frb.gov via smap (V4.2) id xma022087; Wed, 23 Jun 99 20:14:37 -0400 Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 20:14:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Seth Subject: Re: [Re: Team FreeBSD] In-reply-to: <19990623233706.20445.qmail@nwcst289.netaddress.usa.net> To: Jesus Monroy Cc: Mark Dunham , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG They've got a FreeBSD client available at ftp://entropia.com/gimps/mprime-18.1-freebsd3.0.tar.gz It's running quite well on my -STABLE system. SB On Wed, 23 Jun 1999, Jesus Monroy wrote: > Mark Dunham wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 23, 1999 at 09:42:32AM -0600, Donald Wilde wrote: > > > > > Kelly Yancey wrote: > > > SETI could be 5 minutes from finding the Bugs... or it could be 500 > > > years. What matters is the benefit -- whether they're friendly or not > > > =8-O -- not the work. > > > > > > If you crack an RC5 key, you're only cracking ONE message's code, and > > > we already know IT CAN BE DONE, given enough cycles. > > > > > > I like to devote my idle cycles to something I find to be slightly more > > productive. The Great Internet Mersenne Prime Search is moderatly > > useful, and theres a big 'ol prize, too. Check out > > www.mersenne.org/prime.htm for > > more info y'all. > > > I working on GIMPS also, but unfortunely they are on my '95 and NT > machines. I rather do it on FreeBSD but I've got to load the > Linux emulator.... poop, poop, no. I've spent all my energy > and time just to slow down my machine.. NO thanks I'll run it > on windoze instead. > > > > --- > "I'd rather pay for my freedom than live in a bitmapped, > pop-up-happy dungeon like NT." > http://www.performancecomputing.com/features/9809of1.shtml > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jun 23 19:18:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from relay02.netaddress.usa.net (relay02.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.182]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2F609151C9 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 19:18:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesus.monroy@usa.net) Received: (qmail 417 invoked from network); 24 Jun 1999 02:18:41 -0000 Received: from www0t.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.49) by outbound.netaddress.usa.net with SMTP; 24 Jun 1999 02:18:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 7075 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jun 1999 02:18:40 -0000 Message-ID: <19990624021840.7074.qmail@www0t.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.49 by www0t via web-mailer(M3.2.0.17) on Thu Jun 24 02:18:40 GMT 1999 Date: 23 Jun 99 19:18:40 PDT From: Jesus Monroy To: Seth Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: Team FreeBSD]] Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.2.0.17) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Seth wrote: > They've got a FreeBSD client available at > ftp://entropia.com/gimps/mprime-18.1-freebsd3.0.tar.gz > = > It's running quite well on my -STABLE system. > = But can we answer the key question, do I need to install the LinUx emulator. BTW folks, jordan has asked me nicely not to spam. I'm doing so. I realy don't need to be cc'd = when I'm on the mailing list. --- "I'd rather pay for my freedom than live in a bitmapped, = pop-up-happy dungeon like NT." http://www.performancecomputing.com/features/9809of1.shtml ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jun 23 21:41:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from nwcst289.netaddress.usa.net (nwcst289.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.23.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DCB6E15010 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 21:41:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesus.monroy@usa.net) Received: (qmail 8448 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jun 1999 04:47:49 -0000 Message-ID: <19990624044749.8447.qmail@nwcst289.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.23.34 by nwcst289 via web-mailer(M3.2.0.17) on Thu Jun 24 04:47:49 GMT 1999 Date: 23 Jun 99 21:47:49 PDT From: Jesus Monroy To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: BAFUG Install-a-thon Cc: chat@bafug.org X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.2.0.17) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I was very pleased, as jgrosch, was to see people at the Saturday install-a-thon. However, more people are need and I personally plan to bring 3 machine that are blank so people can do pratice installs. = I sending this after listening to the Tuesday afternoon show for radio.com. It seem the enviromental group is pushing to have PC on a mandatory recycle list, like we currently do with bottles, cans and the such. After some thought I considered it might be nice take 486's, which school are refusing because of lack of decent software and install FreeBSD. True will = most likely more 10-16 year old hackers now, but we can a least(with some effort from everyone) start the long road back to making *BSD the prefered box. I personally am willing to do the setup scripts for this (this would me help in the BUDS project) and do some machines. However, I'm taxed as it is = (now going on 6-8 sleep, with perhaps 10 on weekends) but am willing to do this if there is some response. On the other hand if someone would like to champion this cause they would of course have my voice and hands. Any response appreciated. Jessem. --- "I'd rather pay for my freedom than live in a bitmapped, = pop-up-happy dungeon like NT." http://www.performancecomputing.com/features/9809of1.shtml ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jun 23 21:48: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from nwcst322.netaddress.usa.net (nwcst322.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.23.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 93ACB15221 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 21:48:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesus.monroy@usa.net) Received: (qmail 21873 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jun 1999 04:47:37 -0000 Message-ID: <19990624044737.21872.qmail@nwcst322.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.23.67 by nwcst322 via web-mailer(M3.2.0.17) on Thu Jun 24 04:47:36 GMT 1999 Date: 23 Jun 99 21:47:36 PDT From: Jesus Monroy To: Sue Blake Subject: Re: [Re: Survey: online documentation 15% incorrect] Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.2.0.17) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sue Blake wrote: > On Wed, Jun 23, 1999 at 06:34:28AM -0700, Jesus Monroy wrote: > > Document: Documentation errors in FreeBSD > > Run Date: 6/17/99 > > Description: The following is a listing of incomplete, ambigous or > > failed references for FreeBSD using whatit(1) and man(1= ). > = > Documentation survey notice 50% incorrect: > No information can be obtained for whatit(1). > sure you try this without a spelling checker after 18 hours of no sleep. Fix the mistake or shutup. --- "I'd rather pay for my freedom than live in a bitmapped, = pop-up-happy dungeon like NT." http://www.performancecomputing.com/features/9809of1.shtml ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jun 23 22: 2: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from arutam.inch.com (ns.inch.com [207.240.140.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11CC314F43 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 22:02:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freyes@inch.com) Received: from your-name (TC1-dial-38-215.oldslip.inch.com [207.240.215.38]) by arutam.inch.com (8.9.1a/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA22603 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 01:02:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906240502.BAA22603@arutam.inch.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "Advocacy List" Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 01:03:30 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows 98 (4.10.1998) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: How to keep ISVs? Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have been talking to the makers of Netmax, an admin tool for FreeBSD and Linux, and they have given me the impression they have not sold that many copies of their software. I bought the software and think that for small companies/ISPs/Setups it is certainly a good buy. They are soon to come out with a Linux version and I am a little concern they may focus on that and decrease or eventually drop FreeBSD support. I would like opinions on what we can advice this company so they have a better chance to remain as a viable FreeBSD ISV (independent software vendor). The only issue I have found with the software is it's cost. At $500 I can see how a lot people would shy away from it. In my case I figured it would take me too much time to configure email, firewall, DNS, Samba. On more general terms what, in your opinion, are products and services that the FreeBSD community would be willing to buy? Given the number of ports I think that most of the things covered by ports would probably be difficult for an ISV to sell unless the software is "much easier" to use than the available ports or has higher overall quality I for one would be willing to pay $ for a good email client. I got tired of trying email clients last time I tried to make FreeBSD my primary desktop. I also had hopes for Applixware (a suite like MS office), but the port to FreeBSD just kept been post-poned. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jun 23 22: 6:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B7DA14D29 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 22:06:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA46576; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 22:06:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: "Francisco Reyes" Cc: "Advocacy List" Subject: Re: How to keep ISVs? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 24 Jun 1999 01:03:30 EDT." <199906240502.BAA22603@arutam.inch.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 22:06:49 -0700 Message-ID: <46573.930200809@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I also had hopes for Applixware (a suite like MS office), but the port > to FreeBSD just kept been post-poned. There may be some promising news on this very shortly. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jun 23 22:27:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from nwcst312.netaddress.usa.net (nwcst312.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.23.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8C39614CA8 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 22:27:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesus.monroy@usa.net) Received: (qmail 9509 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jun 1999 05:27:21 -0000 Message-ID: <19990624052721.9508.qmail@nwcst312.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.23.57 by nwcst312 via web-mailer(M3.2.0.17) on Thu Jun 24 05:27:21 GMT 1999 Date: 23 Jun 99 22:27:21 PDT From: Jesus Monroy To: W Gerald Hicks Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: Kernel config script ] ] Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.2.0.17) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG W Gerald Hicks wrote: > > > The sarcasm wasn't really helpful was it? Actually, some certifica= tion > > > program may be useful to help advance FreeBSD. > > > = > > Not true. Most, if not all of these certification, so called, > > programs are nothing more that marketing/sales gimicks. > > Analgous to Extranet. > = > Not true. Although the most _popular_ certifications are often > just marketing gimmicks, (MSCE and CCNA come to mind foremost), > some certification of basic Unix competency might be very > useful. > = Wait a minute,,,,, didn't ---I SAY MOST--- Competency is subjective, not objective. If you can convince the average person that "competency" is the subject, then we have something, else your talk through your hat. (put nicely) > > > Sorry, I agree with Mike here. IMHO, the major thrust of FreeBSD's= > > > marketing efforts should continue to be directed toward competent > > > computer professionals, at least for now. > > I agree with your statement, but I believe that education, > > not the general marketing FUD. is the way togo. > = > Where's the FUD? I don't see any. > = Thank you for asking the question. FUD (Frustrate, Undermine, Demoralize) Frustration hits many middle manager when the know that the higher managers (ie. VP) will ask for some retarted certificate (NCE). The entire OS is undermined by morons that take the tests and are purported to know more than the people that work on them. Demorilization hits the masses when they realize that this is nothing more than a sham. So your point is what? That we are not running a sham? How are you going to convince people of that? Most managers I know, know this is a scam. So now we are scam artists also? = Think this through. You mentioned that "MSCE and CCNA". Most managers know that they will not be fired, if they hire these bozos. What do we gain by this? I don't see any gain. I don't see any benifit. > > > It's more exciting (to me at least) when -core and the top = > > > developers > > > of FreeBSD concentrate on architectural and system features which > > > help attract first-rate developer talent. > = > > Why are we kissing butt, here?? > = > You are an abrasive asshole. Now that we're equal on personal insults,= > I'll explain. > = Yes I am. > Mindshare is a very important aspect of advancing any technology. > In order to continue progress, it's very important to provide the > features which will attract top-flight talent. > = Yes, I agree. > This was a prime concern of Microsoft in the "Halloween Paper" and > I agree with it wholeheartedly. Only the top developers and -core > can introduce the deep architectural features which will make FreeBSD > a more attractive place to work for new talent. > = Bologona, there is no such concept that is valid that will prove that. That is just plain bull; marketing hype. = You are diluding yourself into think that the new seatbelt law will save everyone's life; It won't. True advancement in the OS world has come from those who broke the rules. > > > That said, FreeBSD is a wonderful system for newbies and pros alike= =2E > > > It helps to have a competent professional around for help but I've > > > seen quite a few totally green users suceed too. Quite often, they= > > > succeed simply because they have good manners and are polite when > > > asking for help. > = > > Bull. > > Let me translate. (If someone kisses my ass, I'll help them.) > = > That's a crock. I help a *lot* of people without even expecting > a thank-you. I do believe that reasonable social skills help > some people progress better than others. This may help explain > your own situation. > = Nonsense, I've come across many *BSDer that claim to be "user friendly", plainly that is not so, else (IMO) FreeBSD would top the chart, not the LINUX (kids). > > > The kind of user who won't read, can't formulate a coherent questio= n > > > or submit a useful bug report is a parasitic burden and (IMHO) > > > should > > > not be coaxed away from what they are currently using, _unless_ it'= s > > > FreeBSD. > = > > Bologna, I stated this before, with the now being the popular > > opinon. The documentation in FreeBSD is terrible. It's gotten > > better by leaps, but to castigate someone for not reading a > > dime store novel is like asking for ham an eggs and getting > > spam, ham, bacon, sauages and eggs. Yes, there is not very > > much spam in this dish. > = > Horseshit. Perhaps it's not organized as a traditional book but > the combined resources of the mailing list and newsgroup archives > along with participation in the lists and IRC form a very respectable > knowledge base. Your criticisms sound like a tempest in a teapot. > = > I stand by my statements. > = How about "it's not organized at all". WHAT!!! "the combined resources" of potatoe heads. (Dan Quail help me now.) I shatter to beleive you've just said I must meander = through megabytes, no terabytes of useless nonsense. You must thing everyone has time to read ooodles of noise and nonsense.... = PLEASE,PLEASE,PLEASE do me a favor. I you are so inclined to continue this discussion, move it to the newsgroups, because I for one don't want a mile-a-garbage in everyone's mailbox on this = point-less discussion. As I see it, you are a type #2 sysadmin, where new users must read the MOTD to get access.... beauty ahhh... = --- "I'd rather pay for my freedom than live in a bitmapped, = pop-up-happy dungeon like NT." http://www.performancecomputing.com/features/9809of1.shtml ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jun 23 22:42:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from relay03.netaddress.usa.net (relay03.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.183]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AD4D014CA8 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 22:42:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesus.monroy@usa.net) Received: (qmail 29887 invoked from network); 24 Jun 1999 05:42:38 -0000 Received: from www0t.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.49) by outbound.netaddress.usa.net with SMTP; 24 Jun 1999 05:42:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 19204 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jun 1999 05:42:34 -0000 Message-ID: <19990624054234.19203.qmail@www0t.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.49 by www0t via web-mailer(M3.2.0.17) on Thu Jun 24 05:42:34 GMT 1999 Date: 23 Jun 99 22:42:34 PDT From: Jesus Monroy To: UEBAYASHI Masao , adam.turoff@isinet.com Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: Team FreeBSD]] Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.2.0.17) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG UEBAYASHI Masao wrote: > > it *should* look like an i18n version of ':-)'. > = > Sorry, our smilies have no nose (as manga characters is) and always > smiles even when annoyed or embarrassed. :-) > = I think you understand that I was not trying to humiliate you but point out something that a politically correct person might what to tell you in person. As for me, now that I've mentioned it, I know, your manners will be improved and that if I arrive in Japan one day, I could meet you for sacki (sp?) and you could tell me how to be polite in Japan. --- "I'd rather pay for my freedom than live in a bitmapped, = pop-up-happy dungeon like NT." http://www.performancecomputing.com/features/9809of1.shtml ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jun 23 22:53:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mpp.pro-ns.net (mpp.pro-ns.net [208.200.182.72]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCD0B14CA8; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 22:53:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mpp@mpp.pro-ns.net) Received: (from mpp@localhost) by mpp.pro-ns.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA14021; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 00:53:42 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from mpp) From: Mike Pritchard Message-Id: <199906240553.AAA14021@mpp.pro-ns.net> Subject: Re: Survey: online documentation 15% incorrect In-Reply-To: <19990623133428.22679.qmail@nwcst323.netaddress.usa.net> from Jesus Monroy at "Jun 23, 1999 06:34:28 am" To: jesus.monroy@usa.net (Jesus Monroy) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 00:53:42 -0500 (CDT) Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Document: Documentation errors in FreeBSD > Run Date: 6/17/99 > Description: The following is a listing of incomplete, ambigous or > failed references for FreeBSD using whatit(1) and man(1). > This survey was conducted using FreeBSD 3.1. > > A complete Listing can be found at: > http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Hub/8031/psuedo-indicators/fbsdutils.html > > Score: > directory no reference ambigous reference other total available > /bin 0 1 1 2 32 > /sbin 8 5 0 13 82 > /usr/bin 42 33 0 75 394 > /usr/sbin 8 7 2 17 183 > ---- ---- > total total 107 691 > > Final Score 107.0/691.0 = 0.1548 (15.5%) I took a look through this list and by my count only about 55 of the references are bogus or incorrect or ambiguous. A number of them in your list are producing exactly what they should be. Some others have been fixed in -current already. There are a handful of man pages with links to other man pages that do not show the links in the NAME/SYSNOPSIS section. I'm going to go fix the easy ones right now. A number of man pages/commands are links for historical names for commands, which have been replaced by new/GNU replacements and the man pages reflect the updated versions, not the historical name for the command. These should probably be fixed, too. 'man cc' is a good example. You get what you need - the gcc man page. I've never been sure what we should do with these. One interesting problem your survery points out is that whatis/makewhatis get confused about inetd.conf and inetd. It lists them both as section 5 man pages, when only inetd is section 8. This is because the inetd Makefile MLINKS inetd.8 to inetd.conf.5. There are probably a few other commands that might be doing this. I'll have to look at this closer. Then there are the commands without manual pages, which is just plain wrong. -- Mike Pritchard mpp@FreeBSD.ORG or mpp@mpp.pro-ns.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jun 23 23:17: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from nw177.netaddress.usa.net (nw177.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.77]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2658414CA8 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 23:16:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesus.monroy@usa.net) Received: (qmail 26103 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jun 1999 06:16:59 -0000 Message-ID: <19990624061659.26102.qmail@nw177.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.77 by nw177 via web-mailer(M3.2.0.17) on Thu Jun 24 06:16:58 GMT 1999 Date: 23 Jun 99 23:16:58 PDT From: Jesus Monroy To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Dell Moving to UNIX X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.2.0.17) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This showed up today... Someone please.. hit DELL!! NEW YORK--Dell Computer could take a big step toward Unix and away = from Microsoft's back-end operating system when Intel's 64-bit = processors arrive next year, chief executive Michael Dell said. http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,38275,00.html --- "I'd rather pay for my freedom than live in a bitmapped, = pop-up-happy dungeon like NT." http://www.performancecomputing.com/features/9809of1.shtml ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jun 23 23:46:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail.athenet.net (mail.athenet.net [209.103.196.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB59C1568F for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 23:46:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from astro@shell.athenet.net) Received: from shell.athenet.net (astro@shell.athenet.net [209.103.198.2]) by mail.athenet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA18410 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 01:46:39 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 01:46:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Patrick Clochesy To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Magazine Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I talked to Jordan Hubbard and am in the process of contacting advertisers regarding the publication of a FreeBSD magazine. The magazine would be funded by advertisers, with all profits going to the FreeBSD project or to pay for required equipment that the magazine would need. Right now I am thinking a monthly magazine with articles from the magazine online for members to read, and some publicly accessable. To the point. Today I took a look at your e-zine and realized, not only was the print magazine feasable, its been done with Linux and its being done with FreeBSD online. So here I am. I guess my question to you is, would you like to be involved with it, ie either merging with the magazine if it goes through, or letting the magazine use your articles? As I've mentioned, its completely non-profit. I have talked with several FreeBSD users and they have all said that they would purchase the magazine, and Jordan thinks very strongly that the magazine would attract users. From what I've seen, I do too. If you have any comments or would like to work on this project with me, please feel free to contact me at (920) 231-5282, or email at astro@shell.athenet.net. Just FYI, the FreeBSD Project includes outreaches such as individual ports done by people, the Advocacy project, etc. Thanks for your time, -Patrick Clochesy The Spacehog Consortium To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jun 24 0: 2:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from nf.enveng.titech.ac.jp (nf.enveng.titech.ac.jp [131.112.148.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F8E914BE2 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 00:02:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from masao@nf.enveng.titech.ac.jp) Received: from localhost (neon.enveng.titech.ac.jp [131.112.148.211]) by nf.enveng.titech.ac.jp (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA04874; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 15:57:07 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from masao@nf.enveng.titech.ac.jp) To: jesus.monroy@usa.net Cc: adam.turoff@isinet.com, advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: Team FreeBSD]] In-Reply-To: Your message of "23 Jun 99 22:42:34 PDT" <19990624054234.19203.qmail@www0t.netaddress.usa.net> References: <19990624054234.19203.qmail@www0t.netaddress.usa.net> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.93 on Emacs 19.34 / Mule 2.3 (SUETSUMUHANA) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990624160619X.masao@nf.enveng.titech.ac.jp> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 16:06:19 +0900 From: UEBAYASHI Masao X-Dispatcher: imput version 980905(IM100) Lines: 17 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I think you understand that I was not trying to humiliate > you but point out something that a politically correct > person might what to tell you in person. As for me, politically??? > now that I've mentioned it, I know, your manners will be > improved and that if I arrive in Japan one day, I could > meet you for sacki (sp?) and you could tell me how to > be polite in Japan. I can be subject to either standards or de fact standards. If USA manner is recognized to be (de fact) standard in this list, I do so. From now I try not to use any smilies wherever in FreeBSD.ORG lists. Bye. -Masao To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jun 24 0:34:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE57014A13 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 00:34:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.1) id JAA43315; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 09:34:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des) To: "Kelly Yancey" Cc: Subject: Re: Team FreeBSD progress charts References: <000f01bebdad$6feac000$291c453f@kbyanc.alcnet.com> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 24 Jun 1999 09:34:17 +0200 In-Reply-To: "Kelly Yancey"'s message of "Wed, 23 Jun 1999 15:20:21 -0400" Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Kelly Yancey" writes: > Now, what this posting is really about...the Team FreeBSD progress charts > are now on-line at http://www.posi.net/freebsd/Team-FreeBSD/graphs/ Repeat after me: His name is not Chuck. His name is not Chuck. His name is not Chuck. His Chuck is not name. His not Chuck name is. Name not his is Chuck. Chuck is not his name. His name is not Chuck. OK? DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jun 24 0:37:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.36.247]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44D5214E60; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 00:37:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kkennawa@physics.adelaide.edu.au) Received: from bragg (bragg [129.127.36.34]) by adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/UofA-1.5) with SMTP id RAA29549; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 17:07:17 +0930 (CST) Received: from localhost by bragg; (5.65/1.1.8.2/05Aug95-0227PM) id AA02373; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 17:05:10 +0930 Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 17:05:09 +0930 (CST) From: Kris Kennaway X-Sender: kkennawa@bragg To: Mike Pritchard Cc: Jesus Monroy , doc@freebsd.org, advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Survey: online documentation 15% incorrect In-Reply-To: <199906240553.AAA14021@mpp.pro-ns.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 24 Jun 1999, Mike Pritchard wrote: > One interesting problem your survery points out is that whatis/makewhatis > get confused about inetd.conf and inetd. It lists them both as section > 5 man pages, when only inetd is section 8. This is because > the inetd Makefile MLINKS inetd.8 to inetd.conf.5. There are > probably a few other commands that might be doing this. I'll have > to look at this closer. Wasn't this just fixed in the past few days? I remember a commit message citing rpc.statd as an example. Or maybe I don't. Kris ----- "Never criticize anybody until you have walked a mile in their shoes, because by that time you will be a mile away and have their shoes." -- Unknown To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jun 24 0:47:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mpp.pro-ns.net (mpp.pro-ns.net [208.200.182.72]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 698DB14F46; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 00:47:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mpp@mpp.pro-ns.net) Received: (from mpp@localhost) by mpp.pro-ns.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA15702; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 02:47:11 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from mpp) From: Mike Pritchard Message-Id: <199906240747.CAA15702@mpp.pro-ns.net> Subject: Re: Survey: online documentation 15% incorrect In-Reply-To: from Kris Kennaway at "Jun 24, 1999 05:05:09 pm" To: kkennawa@physics.adelaide.edu.au (Kris Kennaway) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 02:47:11 -0500 (CDT) Cc: jesus.monroy@usa.net (Jesus Monroy), doc@freebsd.org, advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Thu, 24 Jun 1999, Mike Pritchard wrote: > > One interesting problem your survery points out is that whatis/makewhatis > > get confused about inetd.conf and inetd. It lists them both as section > > 5 man pages, when only inetd is section 8. This is because > > the inetd Makefile MLINKS inetd.8 to inetd.conf.5. There are > > probably a few other commands that might be doing this. I'll have > > to look at this closer. > > Wasn't this just fixed in the past few days? I remember a commit message > citing rpc.statd as an example. Or maybe I don't. That was whereis, not whatis. It was a fix to prevent it from stripping the suffix off of commands like rpc.statd. Two different problems. -- Mike Pritchard mpp@FreeBSD.ORG or mpp@mpp.pro-ns.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jun 24 1:36: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from amanda.qmpgmc.ac.uk (hide14.nhs.uk [194.6.81.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F5981516E for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 01:35:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from greg@swlct.sthames.nhs.uk) Received: from greg (gquinlan [194.81.0.56]) by amanda.qmpgmc.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA98932 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 09:33:49 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <007601bebe1c$69e48be0$380051c2@qmpgmc.ac.uk> Reply-To: "Greg Quinlan" From: "Greg Quinlan" To: Subject: Linux not FreeBSD? Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 09:34:45 +0100 Organization: Queen Mary's Hospital (SWLCT) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi all, This is my first posting to this mailing list. If you haven't already seen this propaganda check it out. An example of a high profile company adopting the Linux child. (FreeBSD may require a bit of public relations work to make it more attractive for those adopters) Check it out: http://www.hp.com/pressrel/jun99/21jun99g.htm This might give people a little bit of a laugh. Here is SCO (the Serious Commercial Organisation of the free software rip-offs merchants) Saying they are adding Linux compatibility.... well, well... could not be bothered doing their own thing anymore with free software source and decided to do some alignment with free software developers, and OS's so it wil make their product more attractive. But why Linux and not FreeBSD also? Well FreeBSD is compatiable with SCO (after they patched the OS to be compatiable with themselves ;) * SLS oss472a: Binary Misrecognition Patch ) They should atleast reciprocate!!! (very brief) http://www.sco.com/press/releases/1999/6849.html Greg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jun 24 3:42:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D6CC15262 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 03:41:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.1) id MAA47677; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:41:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des) To: "Greg Quinlan" Cc: Subject: Re: Linux not FreeBSD? References: <007601bebe1c$69e48be0$380051c2@qmpgmc.ac.uk> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 24 Jun 1999 12:41:27 +0200 In-Reply-To: "Greg Quinlan"'s message of "Thu, 24 Jun 1999 09:34:45 +0100" Message-ID: Lines: 10 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Greg Quinlan" writes: > This is my first posting to this mailing list. If you haven't > already seen this propaganda check it out. We've been discussing it on -stable and -chat for about ten days, as you very well know. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jun 24 5: 3:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from nwcst286.netaddress.usa.net (nwcst286.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.23.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 80F5A14BD3 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 05:03:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesus.monroy@usa.net) Received: (qmail 3885 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jun 1999 12:10:40 -0000 Message-ID: <19990624121040.3884.qmail@nwcst286.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.23.31 by nwcst286 via web-mailer(M3.2.0.17) on Thu Jun 24 12:10:40 GMT 1999 Date: 24 Jun 99 05:10:40 PDT From: Jesus Monroy To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Compaq develops Linux handheld X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.2.0.17) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This maybe old news for some of you. http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,37798,00.html --- "I'd rather pay for my freedom than live in a bitmapped, = pop-up-happy dungeon like NT." http://www.performancecomputing.com/features/9809of1.shtml ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jun 24 5:17:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.atl.bellsouth.net (mail1.atl.bellsouth.net [205.152.0.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F3BC14BCE for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 05:17:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wghicks@bellsouth.net) Received: from wghicks.bellsouth.net (host-209-214-76-65.atl.bellsouth.net [209.214.76.65]) by mail1.atl.bellsouth.net (8.8.8-spamdog/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA08565; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 08:14:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wghicks (wghicks@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wghicks.bellsouth.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA01589; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 08:20:19 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wghicks@wghicks.bellsouth.net) Message-Id: <199906241220.IAA01589@bellsouth.net> To: Jesus Monroy Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: Kernel config script ] ] In-reply-to: Your message of "23 Jun 1999 22:27:21 PDT." <19990624052721.9508.qmail@nwcst312.netaddress.usa.net> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 08:20:18 -0400 From: W Gerald Hicks Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > PLEASE,PLEASE,PLEASE do me a favor. I you are so > inclined to continue this discussion, move it to > the newsgroups, because I for one don't want a > mile-a-garbage in everyone's mailbox on this > point-less discussion. As I see it, you are a type #2 > sysadmin, where new users must read the MOTD to get > access.... beauty ahhh... The way I see it, you are a type 1 prick who reposts private emails in a public forum. Suppose it's time to enhance the old killfile. -- Jerry Hicks wghicks@bellsouth.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jun 24 5:23:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from hp9000.chc-chimes.com (hp9000.chc-chimes.com [206.67.97.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4D1E14E1A for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 05:23:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost by hp9000.chc-chimes.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA150251818; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 04:10:18 -0400 Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 04:10:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fumerola To: Jesus Monroy Cc: Mark Dunham , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [Re: Team FreeBSD] In-Reply-To: <19990623233706.20445.qmail@nwcst289.netaddress.usa.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 23 Jun 1999, Jesus Monroy wrote: > I working on GIMPS also, but unfortunely they are on my '95 and NT > machines. I rather do it on FreeBSD but I've got to load the > Linux emulator.... poop, poop, no. I've spent all my energy > and time just to slow down my machine.. NO thanks I'll run it > on windoze instead. The FreeBSD binary available on the website doesn't work, or did you just miss it. - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jun 24 6:43: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from kronos.alcnet.com (kronos.alcnet.com [63.69.28.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58B3514D25 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 06:43:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kbyanc@alcnet.com) X-Provider: ALC Communications, Inc. http://www.alcnet.com/ Received: from kbyanc (ws-41.alcnet.com [63.69.28.41]) by kronos.alcnet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/antispam) with SMTP id JAA92323; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 09:55:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kelly Yancey" To: "Dag-Erling Smorgrav" Cc: Subject: RE: Team FreeBSD progress charts Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 09:53:31 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bebe48$f1a1fb40$291c453f@kbyanc.alcnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Repeat after me: His name is not Chuck. His name is not Chuck. His > name is not Chuck. His Chuck is not name. His not Chuck name is. Name > not his is Chuck. Chuck is not his name. His name is not Chuck. OK? > > DES > -- > Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no > I guess this has fallen out of favor? For as long as I can remember, while never official, people have affectionately refered to the daemon as "Chuck". There are still vestigal references to "Chuck" around the net, a quick search yeilded: http://www.vlsm.org/gnm/cvm/welcome.html http://lists.openresources.com/FreeBSD/freebsd-chat/msg00520.html http://advocacy.freebsd.org/ammunition/splash.html Admittingly, not a lot...but I didn't spend much time looking either. As a side note, intended for the -advocacy list: while doing my quick search I discovered something disturbing about the freebsddiary.com site which I was not aware of...it's driven by Frontpage (blech). The tip off what the search engine's URL: http://www.freebsddiary.com/_vti_bin/shtml.exe/freebsd/search.htm. On the other hand, the best I can tell it is running on some unix (it's got sendmail at least)...but isn't this the sort of thing that could come back and bite us? Maybe I'm just a little paranoid. :) Kelly ~kbyanc@posi.net~ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve - http://www.freebsd.org/ Join Team FreeBSD - http://www.posi.net/freebsd/Team-FreeBSD To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jun 24 6:48:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from sumatra.americantv.com (sumatra.americantv.com [208.139.222.227]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A099314D3C for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 06:48:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jlemon@americantv.com) Received: from right.PCS (right.PCS [148.105.10.31]) by sumatra.americantv.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA19122; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 08:48:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from free.pcs (free.PCS [148.105.10.51]) by right.PCS (8.6.13/8.6.4) with ESMTP id IAA26479; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 08:48:18 -0500 Received: (from jlemon@localhost) by free.pcs (8.8.6/8.8.5) id IAA03680; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 08:48:18 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 08:48:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Jonathan Lemon Message-Id: <199906241348.IAA03680@free.pcs> To: des@flood.ping.uio.no, advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Team FreeBSD progress charts X-Newsgroups: local.mail.freebsd-advocacy In-Reply-To: References: Organization: Architecture and Operating System Fanatics Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article you write: >"Kelly Yancey" writes: >> Now, what this posting is really about...the Team FreeBSD progress charts >> are now on-line at http://www.posi.net/freebsd/Team-FreeBSD/graphs/ > >Repeat after me: His name is not Chuck. His name is not Chuck. His >name is not Chuck. His Chuck is not name. His not Chuck name is. Name >not his is Chuck. Chuck is not his name. His name is not Chuck. OK? Chuckie? -- Jonathan (runs and hides from DES) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jun 24 7: 2: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from ska.bsn (d142.syd2.zeta.org.au [203.26.9.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C218714D25 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 07:02:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from atrn@zeta.org.au) Received: (from andy@localhost) by ska.bsn (8.9.3/8.9.2) id AAA04041 for freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 00:12:58 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from andy) Message-Id: <199906241412.AAA04041@ska.bsn> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 00:12:58 +1000 (EST) From: atrn@zeta.org.au Subject: RE: Team FreeBSD progress charts To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <000101bebe48$f1a1fb40$291c453f@kbyanc.alcnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I propose ``The Operating System Mascot Formerly Known as Chuck''. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jun 24 7: 4: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from fed-ef1.frb.gov (fed.frb.gov [132.200.32.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F1DC14D25 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 07:03:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from seth@freebie.dp.ny.frb.org) Received: by fed-ef1.frb.gov; id KAA14815; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 10:03:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m1pmdf.frb.gov(192.168.3.38) by fed.frb.gov via smap (V4.2) id xma014158; Thu, 24 Jun 99 10:02:51 -0400 Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 10:02:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Seth Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: Team FreeBSD]] In-reply-to: <19990624021840.7074.qmail@www0t.netaddress.usa.net> To: Jesus Monroy Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jeez. OK. Let me spell it out for you, since you don't seem to be getting it: (also note that this entire response is devoid of emoticons, in order to avoid offending your political sensibilities.) The client is a NATIVE FREEBSD CLIENT. Had you not already assumed as much from the name, you could have downloaded it (144K, compressed) and tried it yourself. I understood your original complaint; why would I have followed up with a recommendation that didn't address that complaint? Give me a break. All you've done is transformed (what could have been) an informative thread into a useless dialog -- something that I've noticed you're especially good at. [To all: sorry for the rant; it's early, and I'm not in a mood for pointless argument. So that this message has SOME benefit, please be aware that there IS a version of the Mersenne prime checker that runs quite well in a native FreeBSD environment, despite Mr. Monroy's claim to the contrary.] SB On Wed, 23 Jun 1999, Jesus Monroy wrote: > Seth wrote: > > They've got a FreeBSD client available at > > ftp://entropia.com/gimps/mprime-18.1-freebsd3.0.tar.gz > > > > It's running quite well on my -STABLE system. > > > But can we answer the key question, do I need to install > the LinUx emulator. > > BTW folks, jordan has asked me nicely not to spam. > I'm doing so. I realy don't need to be cc'd > when I'm on the mailing list. > > --- > "I'd rather pay for my freedom than live in a bitmapped, > pop-up-happy dungeon like NT." > http://www.performancecomputing.com/features/9809of1.shtml > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jun 24 7:21:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from hp9000.chc-chimes.com (hp9000.chc-chimes.com [206.67.97.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C3BC14E17 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 07:21:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost by hp9000.chc-chimes.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA191038901; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 06:08:21 -0400 Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 06:08:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fumerola To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: Kelly Yancey , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Team FreeBSD progress charts In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 24 Jun 1999, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > Repeat after me: His name is not Chuck. His name is not Chuck. His > name is not Chuck. His Chuck is not name. His not Chuck name is. Name > not his is Chuck. Chuck is not his name. His name is not Chuck. OK? I could of swore I saw "Chuck Doll" on my FreeBSDmall propoganda that came with my CD-set. Somebody should fix that. - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jun 24 7:27: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from hp9000.chc-chimes.com (hp9000.chc-chimes.com [206.67.97.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AA6714E17; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 07:27:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost by hp9000.chc-chimes.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA192839213; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 06:13:33 -0400 Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 06:13:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fumerola To: W Gerald Hicks Cc: Jesus Monroy , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, jmb@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: Kernel config script ] ] In-Reply-To: <199906241220.IAA01589@bellsouth.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 24 Jun 1999, W Gerald Hicks wrote: > > PLEASE,PLEASE,PLEASE do me a favor. I you are so > > inclined to continue this discussion, move it to > > the newsgroups, because I for one don't want a > > mile-a-garbage in everyone's mailbox on this > > point-less discussion. As I see it, you are a type #2 > > sysadmin, where new users must read the MOTD to get > > access.... beauty ahhh... > > The way I see it, you are a type 1 prick who reposts private emails > in a public forum. Yes, this isn't the first time, either. > Suppose it's time to enhance the old killfile. Jonathon, please desubscribe and block jesus.monroy@usa.net for excessive posts that are intended to start fights, for posting private mails to public forums, and for having not a productive byte coming from his mailer. - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jun 24 7:32:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40D1E150E3 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 07:31:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.1) id QAA52893; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 16:31:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des) To: Bill Fumerola Cc: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , Kelly Yancey , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Team FreeBSD progress charts References: From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 24 Jun 1999 16:31:44 +0200 In-Reply-To: Bill Fumerola's message of "Thu, 24 Jun 1999 06:08:21 -0400 (EDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 18 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Bill Fumerola writes: > On 24 Jun 1999, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > Repeat after me: His name is not Chuck. His name is not Chuck. His > > name is not Chuck. His Chuck is not name. His not Chuck name is. Name > > not his is Chuck. Chuck is not his name. His name is not Chuck. OK? > I could of swore I saw "Chuck Doll" on my FreeBSDmall propoganda that came > with my CD-set. The web site just says 'FreeBSD Daemon Doll'. This is no laughing matter - Kirk McKusick owns the copyright to the daemon, and is gracious enough to allow the various *BSD factions to use it in their material, but he might change his mind if we keep calling it Chuck - he reportedly hates that name. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jun 24 7:39:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from hp9000.chc-chimes.com (hp9000.chc-chimes.com [206.67.97.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03CA014E17 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 07:39:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost by hp9000.chc-chimes.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA196539941; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 06:25:41 -0400 Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 06:25:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fumerola To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: Kelly Yancey , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Team FreeBSD progress charts In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 24 Jun 1999, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > The web site just says 'FreeBSD Daemon Doll'. I will scan it and put it on my freefall account tomarrow. > This is no laughing matter - Kirk McKusick owns the copyright to the > daemon, and is gracious enough to allow the various *BSD factions to > use it in their material, but he might change his mind if we keep > calling it Chuck - he reportedly hates that name. I'm not making a joke of it, it seriously says "Chuck" or "Chuckie" (I'm at work, or I'd go look). - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jun 24 7:46:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2447153BF; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 07:46:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.1) id QAA53254; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 16:46:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des) To: Bill Fumerola Cc: W Gerald Hicks , Jesus Monroy , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, jmb@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: Kernel config script ] ] References: From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 24 Jun 1999 16:46:09 +0200 In-Reply-To: Bill Fumerola's message of "Thu, 24 Jun 1999 06:13:33 -0400 (EDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 14 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Bill Fumerola writes: > Jonathon, please desubscribe and block jesus.monroy@usa.net for excessive > posts that are intended to start fights, for posting private mails to > public forums, and for having not a productive byte coming from his > mailer. Oh man, I hope I didn't start a trend back there :| Really, this kind of thing should only happen in extreme circumstances (and yes, I consider Brett's behaviour an extreme circumstance) DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jun 24 7:50:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from leap.innerx.net (leap.innerx.net [38.179.176.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B083C14CE4; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 07:50:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@holly.dyndns.org) Received: from holly.dyndns.org (ip28.houston3.tx.pub-ip.psi.net [38.12.169.28]) by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79BDB37096; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 10:50:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from chris@localhost) by holly.dyndns.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA40586; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 09:50:12 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chris) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 09:50:11 -0500 From: Chris Costello To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, jmb@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: Kernel config script ] ] Message-ID: <19990624095011.A40526@holly.dyndns.org> Reply-To: chris@calldei.com References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.96.3i In-Reply-To: ; from Dag-Erling Smorgrav on Thu, Jun 24, 1999 at 04:46:09PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Jun 24, 1999, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > Bill Fumerola writes: > > Jonathon, please desubscribe and block jesus.monroy@usa.net for excessive > > posts that are intended to start fights, for posting private mails to > > public forums, and for having not a productive byte coming from his > > mailer. > > Oh man, I hope I didn't start a trend back there :| > > Really, this kind of thing should only happen in extreme circumstances > (and yes, I consider Brett's behaviour an extreme circumstance) I would consider personal attacks and sending (apparently) private threads to the mailing list to fit right up there. > DES > -- > Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no -- Chris Costello There are two ways to write error-free programs; only the third one works. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jun 24 7:59:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from hp9000.chc-chimes.com (hp9000.chc-chimes.com [206.67.97.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A38ED15310; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 07:59:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost by hp9000.chc-chimes.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA203611037; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 06:43:57 -0400 Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 06:43:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fumerola To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: W Gerald Hicks , Jesus Monroy , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, jmb@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: Kernel config script ] ] In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 24 Jun 1999, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > Bill Fumerola writes: > > Jonathon, please desubscribe and block jesus.monroy@usa.net for excessive > > posts that are intended to start fights, for posting private mails to > > public forums, and for having not a productive byte coming from his > > mailer. > > Oh man, I hope I didn't start a trend back there :| > > Really, this kind of thing should only happen in extreme circumstances > (and yes, I consider Brett's behaviour an extreme circumstance) I'm not trying to be trendy. Nothing bothers me more then replying to a private mail in a public forum. It's bad form, and shows utter lack of respect. It's like tape-recording a phone conversation and playing it back on a loudspeaker. - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jun 24 10: 6: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from kronos.alcnet.com (kronos.alcnet.com [63.69.28.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3379514E60 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 10:06:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kbyanc@alcnet.com) X-Provider: ALC Communications, Inc. http://www.alcnet.com/ Received: from kbyanc (ws-41.alcnet.com [63.69.28.41]) by kronos.alcnet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/antispam) with SMTP id NAA96285; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 13:17:59 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kelly Yancey" To: "Bill Fumerola" Cc: Subject: RE: Team FreeBSD progress charts Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 13:16:28 -0400 Message-ID: <000801bebe65$4badac80$291c453f@kbyanc.alcnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Fumerola [mailto:billf@chc-chimes.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 1999 6:26 AM > To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav > Cc: Kelly Yancey; freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Team FreeBSD progress charts > > > On 24 Jun 1999, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > > The web site just says 'FreeBSD Daemon Doll'. > > I will scan it and put it on my freefall account tomarrow. > > > This is no laughing matter - Kirk McKusick owns the copyright to the > > daemon, and is gracious enough to allow the various *BSD factions to > > use it in their material, but he might change his mind if we keep > > calling it Chuck - he reportedly hates that name. > > I'm not making a joke of it, it seriously says "Chuck" or "Chuckie" (I'm > at work, or I'd go look). Sure enough, the FreeBSDMall has: FreeBSD Daemon Doll (Large) - ($39.95) Chuck the daemon is the cheerful mascot of the FreeBSD operating system. Now you can have your very own plushy doll! Includes a pitchfork made of wood and felt. About 12 inches tall. on the http://www.freebsdmall.com/promotional/ page. By the way, does anyone know if McKusick's copyright have anything to do with the advent of the new (silly) mascots? Kelly ~kbyanc@posi.net~ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve - http://www.freebsd.org/ Join Team FreeBSD - http://www.posi.net/freebsd/Team-FreeBSD To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jun 24 10:28:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A96114FB3 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 10:28:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chrisc@vmunix.com) Received: from localhost (chrisc@localhost) by vnode.vmunix.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01760; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 13:28:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 13:28:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Coleman To: Kelly Yancey Cc: Bill Fumerola , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Team FreeBSD progress charts In-Reply-To: <000801bebe65$4badac80$291c453f@kbyanc.alcnet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > By the way, does anyone know if McKusick's copyright have anything to do > with the advent of the new (silly) mascots? Which silly mascots? My wife has drawn a few renditions of the Daemon, but Kirk claims any "Daemon Likeness" as part of his copyright. I have been wondering if "Darcy" from http://www.daemonnews.org/199905/darby.html would be under his copyright, cause she is a "Daem", not a Daemon. :-) -Chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jun 24 10:37:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from icicle.winternet.com (icicle.winternet.com [198.174.169.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EE0B151E5 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 10:37:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nrahlstr@mail.winternet.com) Received: from tundra.winternet.com (nrahlstr@tundra.winternet.com [198.174.169.11]) by icicle.winternet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29199 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:37:11 -0500 (CDT) SMTP "HELO" (ESMTP) greeting from tundra.winternet.com But _really_ from :: nrahlstr@tundra.winternet.com [198.174.169.11] SMTP "MAIL From" = nrahlstr@mail.winternet.com (Nathan Ahlstrom) SMTP "RCPT To" = Received: (from nrahlstr@localhost) by tundra.winternet.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA28148 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:37:08 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <19990624123707.L25805@winternet.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:37:07 -0500 From: Nathan Ahlstrom To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Presenting FreeBSD to a Linux Users Group? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Recently the neighborhood Linux Users Groups asked me to do a presentation on FreeBSD for them. I was wondering if there might be any sort of presentation helpers (ideas) or pre-canned presentations suitable for this sort of thing? If not I guess I will have to submit some ideas. Damn, now I will have to buy that laptop I have been thinking about. ;-) Thanks! Nathan -- Nathan Ahlstrom FreeBSD: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ nrahlstr@winternet.com PGP Key ID: 0x67BC9D19 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jun 24 10:38:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C51514EFD for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 10:38:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.196.24]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA73AA; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 19:38:51 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01959; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 19:39:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 19:39:05 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Kelly Yancey Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Team FreeBSD progress charts Message-ID: <19990624193905.D1893@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <000101bebe48$f1a1fb40$291c453f@kbyanc.alcnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.96.3i In-Reply-To: <000101bebe48$f1a1fb40$291c453f@kbyanc.alcnet.com>; from Kelly Yancey on Thu, Jun 24, 1999 at 09:53:31AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Kelly Yancey (kbyanc@alcnet.com) [990624 17:46]: > > As a side note, intended for the -advocacy list: while doing my quick > search I discovered something disturbing about the freebsddiary.com site > which I was not aware of...it's driven by Frontpage (blech). The tip off > what the search engine's URL: > http://www.freebsddiary.com/_vti_bin/shtml.exe/freebsd/search.htm. On the > other hand, the best I can tell it is running on some unix (it's got > sendmail at least)...but isn't this the sort of thing that could come back > and bite us? Maybe I'm just a little paranoid. :) Ehm, if ye would care to ask Dan about this himself I can you that he is 100% FreeBSDer for more than 8-10 months by now... He just prefers to do his HTML in a different way *G* Oh btw, the bawx is a FreeBSD bawx for all that I know... =) -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(at)wxs.nl The *BSD Programmer's Documentation Project Network/Security Specialist *BSD: We are back and will not accept no... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jun 24 15:23:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E1981522E for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 15:23:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr01.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA28905; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 15:23:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr01.primenet.com(206.165.6.201) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd028873; Thu Jun 24 15:22:58 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr01.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA17292; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 15:22:58 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199906242222.PAA17292@usr01.primenet.com> Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: Kernel config script ] ] To: wghicks@bellsouth.net (W Gerald Hicks) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 22:22:57 +0000 (GMT) Cc: jesus.monroy@usa.net, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199906241220.IAA01589@bellsouth.net> from "W Gerald Hicks" at Jun 24, 99 08:20:18 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > PLEASE,PLEASE,PLEASE do me a favor. I you are so > > inclined to continue this discussion, move it to > > the newsgroups, because I for one don't want a > > mile-a-garbage in everyone's mailbox on this > > point-less discussion. As I see it, you are a type #2 > > sysadmin, where new users must read the MOTD to get > > access.... beauty ahhh... > > The way I see it, you are a type 1 prick who reposts private emails > in a public forum. My stance has always been that I never say anything in private that I'm not willing to say in public. Not only does this keep my foot out of my mouth when I group vs. personnal reply, it keeps my foot out of my mouth if someone else, accidently or intentionally, posts my message to them, either excerpted as part of a reply or in total. A lot of people on these lists are anal about receiving two copies of a response message, and generally get their panties in an uproar over their own inability to attach "Reply-To:" headers to their messages, for whatever reason. It's quite common, especially after a "don't send me two copies, dammit!" message that people use hand-typed list addresses to soothe the other people with the twisted underwear. I believe that many people make the mistake of assuming an identity between the subject and the forum in which the subject was first observed, and type the list name on the "To:" line, manually, to unbunch the undergarments. Whether this happened in this case or not is really irrelevent, since it's a case of public-vs.-private face. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jun 24 18:48:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from pokey.local.net (arc9-93.arl.netwalk.net [216.69.202.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C72F514CA6 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:48:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmutter@netwalk.com) Received: from insomnia.local.net (insomnia.local.net [192.168.2.3]) by pokey.local.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA09775; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:31:05 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jmutter@insomnia.local.net) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:35:05 -0400 (EDT) From: "James A. Mutter" Reply-To: jmutter@netwalk.com To: Nathan Ahlstrom Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Presenting FreeBSD to a Linux Users Group? In-Reply-To: <19990624123707.L25805@winternet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG If you poke around the various advocacy sites there is a "Howto" of sorts addressing just this problem. Essentially though, you want to: 1. Show them the similiarities between FreeBSD and Linux. The idea is to make them confident that they could make the switch easily and comfortably. 2. Show them that FreeBSD runs almost all Linux binaries. This is important, they don't want to feel left out in the cold. 3. Show them some of the cooler parts of FreeBSD. I am particularly and continually impressed with the ports/pkg collection. There just isn't an easier way to do it. CVSup is also wonderful. You can show them how easy it is to upgrade your system, merge in the latest changes, etc... 4. Finally, start the advocacy, go light on the lunacy though. :) My opinion is heavy on facts, light on opinion. I don't know if you have any personal experience with Linux. I ran it for 2 years before I discovered FreeBSD, I can confidentaly say that I'm more than happy with my decision and that I'll _never_ go back. Overall, the idea isn't to preach, but rather to just talk or hold an intelligent conversation with the group. There will likely be a lot questions, be prepared to answer them. Good luck.... Jim On Thu, 24 Jun 1999, Nathan Ahlstrom wrote: : :Recently the neighborhood Linux Users Groups asked me to do a :presentation on FreeBSD for them. : :I was wondering if there might be any sort of presentation :helpers (ideas) or pre-canned presentations suitable for this :sort of thing? If not I guess I will have to submit some ideas. : :Damn, now I will have to buy that laptop I have been thinking :about. ;-) : :Thanks! :Nathan : :-- :Nathan Ahlstrom FreeBSD: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ :nrahlstr@winternet.com PGP Key ID: 0x67BC9D19 : : :To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org :with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message : : To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jun 24 19: 4:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from arutam.inch.com (ns.inch.com [207.240.140.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0A1114E25 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 19:04:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freyes@inch.com) Received: from your-name (TC1-dial-55-215.oldslip.inch.com [207.240.215.55]) by arutam.inch.com (8.9.1a/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA24787; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 22:04:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906250204.WAA24787@arutam.inch.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "Nathan Ahlstrom" Cc: "freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG" Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 22:05:48 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows 98 (4.10.1998) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Presenting FreeBSD to a Linux Users Group? Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:35:05 -0400 (EDT), James A. Mutter wrote: >On Thu, 24 Jun 1999, Nathan Ahlstrom wrote: >:Recently the neighborhood Linux Users Groups asked me to do a >:presentation on FreeBSD for them. Besides the good points Jim made I wanted to ad one... Present the idea that different people like different things and that the only true way to find if an OS is the right one for them is to give it a try. The main reason for this comment is to leave the avenue open for co-existence. OSs are at times a very subjective matter which have nothing to do with the OSs themselves, but with the philosophies of those that manage them. Given that, trying to change people may not work, because they simply like "the philosophy" of the other OS.... it also is an invitation to "try" it. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jun 24 20:27:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from eagle.phc.igs.net (eagle.phc.igs.net [207.210.17.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 313F615213 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 20:23:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eagle@eagle.phc.igs.net) Received: (from eagle@localhost) by eagle.phc.igs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA30451 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:22:27 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from eagle) Message-Id: <199906250322.XAA30451@eagle.phc.igs.net> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:22:27 -0400 (EDT) From: eagle@phc.igs.net Subject: Fwd: Re: Team FreeBSD progress charts To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ------ Forwarded message ------ From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai Subject: Re: Team FreeBSD progress charts Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 19:39:05 +0200 To: Kelly Yancey Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG * Kelly Yancey (kbyanc@alcnet.com) [990624 17:46]: > > As a side note, intended for the -advocacy list: while doing my quick > search I discovered something disturbing about the freebsddiary.com site > which I was not aware of...it's driven by Frontpage (blech). The tip off > what the search engine's URL: > http://www.freebsddiary.com/_vti_bin/shtml.exe/freebsd/search.htm. On the > other hand, the best I can tell it is running on some unix (it's got > sendmail at least)...but isn't this the sort of thing that could come back > and bite us? Maybe I'm just a little paranoid. :) Ehm, if ye would care to ask Dan about this himself I can you that he is 100% FreeBSDer for more than 8-10 months by now... He just prefers to do his HTML in a different way *G* Oh btw, the bawx is a FreeBSD bawx for all that I know... =) When evaluating the possible harm that might be caused because of somebody, using frontpage to explain how to do things in freeBSD you might also consider the good accomplished. That particular site is owned by a freebsd fanatic, who at least is willing to do somthing about the "lack" of documentation that freebsd is rumored to have. while the official doc project is doing a great job. The more people that are sharing what they know about freebsd the better off the rest of us are. I don't care how the html gets written as long as people are writing it. Rob To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jun 25 2:10:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from nwcst314.netaddress.usa.net (nwcst314.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.23.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A7B2614E89 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 02:10:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesus.monroy@usa.net) Received: (qmail 213 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jun 1999 09:09:45 -0000 Message-ID: <19990625090945.212.qmail@nwcst314.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.23.59 by nwcst314 via web-mailer(M3.2.0.17) on Fri Jun 25 09:09:45 GMT 1999 Date: 25 Jun 99 02:09:45 PDT From: Jesus Monroy To: UEBAYASHI Masao , jesus.monroy@usa.net Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: Team FreeBSD]]] Cc: adam.turoff@isinet.com, advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.2.0.17) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG UEBAYASHI Masao wrote: > > now that I've mentioned it, I know, your manners will be > > improved and that if I arrive in Japan one day, I could > > meet you for sacki (sp?) and you could tell me how to > > be polite in Japan. > = > I can be subject to either standards or de fact standards. If USA > manner is recognized to be (de fact) standard in this list, I do so. > = > From now I try not to use any smilies wherever in FreeBSD.ORG lists. > = The more I talk the worse this gets. For now, I'll leave it "as is". --- "I'd rather pay for my freedom than live in a bitmapped, = pop-up-happy dungeon like NT." http://www.performancecomputing.com/features/9809of1.shtml ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jun 25 2:13: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from relay03.netaddress.usa.net (relay03.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.183]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C7B9B14E89 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 02:13:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesus.monroy@usa.net) Received: (qmail 24001 invoked from network); 25 Jun 1999 09:13:00 -0000 Received: from www0g.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.36) by outbound.netaddress.usa.net with SMTP; 25 Jun 1999 09:13:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 11917 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jun 1999 09:13:00 -0000 Message-ID: <19990625091300.11916.qmail@www0g.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.36 by www0g via web-mailer(M3.2.0.17) on Fri Jun 25 09:13:00 GMT 1999 Date: 25 Jun 99 02:13:00 PDT From: Jesus Monroy To: W Gerald Hicks , Jesus Monroy Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: Kernel config script ] ] ] Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.2.0.17) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG W Gerald Hicks wrote: > = > > PLEASE,PLEASE,PLEASE do me a favor. I you are so > > inclined to continue this discussion, move it to > > the newsgroups, because I for one don't want a > = > The way I see it, you are a type 1 prick who reposts private emails > in a public forum. > = > Suppose it's time to enhance the old killfile. > = Glad we can agree on something. --- "I'd rather pay for my freedom than live in a bitmapped, = pop-up-happy dungeon like NT." http://www.performancecomputing.com/features/9809of1.shtml ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jun 25 2:22:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from relay03.netaddress.usa.net (relay03.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.183]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A366415590 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 02:22:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesus.monroy@usa.net) Received: (qmail 24296 invoked from network); 25 Jun 1999 09:22:44 -0000 Received: from nw179.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.79) by outbound.netaddress.usa.net with SMTP; 25 Jun 1999 09:22:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 29022 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jun 1999 09:22:43 -0000 Message-ID: <19990625092243.29021.qmail@nw179.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.79 by nw179 via web-mailer(M3.2.0.17) on Fri Jun 25 09:22:43 GMT 1999 Date: 25 Jun 99 02:22:43 PDT From: Jesus Monroy To: Seth Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: Team FreeBSD]]] Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.2.0.17) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Seth wrote: > Jeez. OK. Let me spell it out for you, since you don't seem to be >........[SNIP]....... > The client is a NATIVE FREEBSD CLIENT. Had you not already assumed as > much from the name, you could have downloaded it (144K, compressed) and= > tried it yourself. > = > I understood your original complaint; why would I have followed up = > with a > recommendation that didn't address that complaint? Give me a break. > All > you've done is transformed (what could have been) an informative thread= > into a useless dialog -- something that I've noticed you're especially > good at. > = You'll excuse the thickheadedness, as one of my room mates is a Debian Linuxhead. When asking him quesions his answers fall in this order: 1) If want another button, you have the source code you can compile it. 2) Gee, thanks strange it runs on Linux. 3) I can fix this script problem by "Making World" 4) I'm having problems compiling, so I going to CVSup. 5) I heard over the chat line that "xyz" is gay. Is this true? Is it any wonder I must ask twice when an answer is just slightly vague? BTW, thanks for the info. I'l add GIMPS to all machines this weekend, after I get some sleep. --- "I'd rather pay for my freedom than live in a bitmapped, = pop-up-happy dungeon like NT." http://www.performancecomputing.com/features/9809of1.shtml ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jun 25 2:25:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from relay04.netaddress.usa.net (relay04.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4AAD21558E for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 02:25:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesus.monroy@usa.net) Received: (qmail 21465 invoked from network); 25 Jun 1999 09:25:33 -0000 Received: from nw175.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.75) by outbound.netaddress.usa.net with SMTP; 25 Jun 1999 09:25:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 26407 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jun 1999 09:25:33 -0000 Message-ID: <19990625092533.26406.qmail@nw175.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.75 by nw175 via web-mailer(M3.2.0.17) on Fri Jun 25 09:25:32 GMT 1999 Date: 25 Jun 99 02:25:32 PDT From: Jesus Monroy To: Bill Fumerola , W Gerald Hicks Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: Kernel config script ] ] ] Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, jmb@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.2.0.17) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Bill Fumerola wrote: > On Thu, 24 Jun 1999, W Gerald Hicks wrote: > = > > > PLEASE,PLEASE,PLEASE do me a favor. I you are so > > > inclined to continue this discussion, move it to > > = > > The way I see it, you are a type 1 prick who reposts private emails > > in a public forum. > = > Yes, this isn't the first time, either. > = You guess it. > > Suppose it's time to enhance the old killfile. > = > Jonathon, please desubscribe and block jesus.monroy@usa.net for > exces= sive > posts that are intended to start fights, for posting private mails to > public forums, and for having not a productive byte coming from his > mailer. > = In my book, there is no such thing as private email in this forum. What the hell do you guys have to be afraid of? --- "I'd rather pay for my freedom than live in a bitmapped, = pop-up-happy dungeon like NT." http://www.performancecomputing.com/features/9809of1.shtml ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jun 25 2:27:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from nw178.netaddress.usa.net (nw178.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6E61E155B3 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 02:27:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesus.monroy@usa.net) Received: (qmail 27920 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jun 1999 09:27:34 -0000 Message-ID: <19990625092734.27919.qmail@nw178.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.78 by nw178 via web-mailer(M3.2.0.17) on Fri Jun 25 09:27:34 GMT 1999 Date: 25 Jun 99 02:27:34 PDT From: Jesus Monroy To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , Bill Fumerola Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: Kernel config script ] ]] Cc: W Gerald Hicks , Jesus Monroy , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, jmb@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.2.0.17) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > Bill Fumerola writes: > > Jonathon, please desubscribe and block jesus.monroy@usa.net for > > excessive > > posts that are intended to start fights, for posting private mails to= > > public forums, and for having not a productive byte coming from his > > mailer. > = > Oh man, I hope I didn't start a trend back there :| > = > Really, this kind of thing should only happen in extreme circumstances > (and yes, I consider Brett's behaviour an extreme circumstance) > = I'm not sure what is up, but people please chill. It's only an OS. --- "I'd rather pay for my freedom than live in a bitmapped, = pop-up-happy dungeon like NT." http://www.performancecomputing.com/features/9809of1.shtml ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jun 25 2:31: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from nwcst291.netaddress.usa.net (nwcst291.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.23.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BFA11155B3 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 02:30:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesus.monroy@usa.net) Received: (qmail 23552 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jun 1999 09:33:41 -0000 Message-ID: <19990625093341.23551.qmail@nwcst291.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.23.36 by nwcst291 via web-mailer(M3.2.0.17) on Fri Jun 25 09:33:41 GMT 1999 Date: 25 Jun 99 02:33:41 PDT From: Jesus Monroy To: chris@calldei.com, Dag-Erling Smorgrav Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: Kernel config script ] ]] Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, jmb@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.2.0.17) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Chris Costello wrote: > On Thu, Jun 24, 1999, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > Bill Fumerola writes: > > > Jonathon, please desubscribe and block jesus.monroy@usa.net for = > > > excessive > > > posts that are intended to start fights, for posting private mails = > > > to > > > public forums, and for having not a productive byte coming from his= > > > mailer. > > = > > Oh man, I hope I didn't start a trend back there :| > > = > > Really, this kind of thing should only happen in extreme circumstance= s > > (and yes, I consider Brett's behaviour an extreme circumstance) > = > I would consider personal attacks and sending (apparently) > private threads to the mailing list to fit right up there. > = I don't receive private mail, except from friends. So save the political by-line for late-nite TV. Okay, why don't we stop now.... I'll be the first. any thing with this subject line no longer a response from me. --- "I'd rather pay for my freedom than live in a bitmapped, = pop-up-happy dungeon like NT." http://www.performancecomputing.com/features/9809of1.shtml ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jun 25 2:31:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from relay04.netaddress.usa.net (relay04.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1D65D155B3 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 02:31:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesus.monroy@usa.net) Received: (qmail 21631 invoked from network); 25 Jun 1999 09:31:42 -0000 Received: from nw173.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.73) by outbound.netaddress.usa.net with SMTP; 25 Jun 1999 09:31:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 9287 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jun 1999 09:31:41 -0000 Message-ID: <19990625093141.9286.qmail@nw173.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.73 by nw173 via web-mailer(M3.2.0.17) on Fri Jun 25 09:31:41 GMT 1999 Date: 25 Jun 99 02:31:41 PDT From: Jesus Monroy To: Bill Fumerola , Dag-Erling Smorgrav Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: Kernel config script ] ]] Cc: W Gerald Hicks , Jesus Monroy , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, jmb@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.2.0.17) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Bill Fumerola wrote: > On 24 Jun 1999, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > = > > Bill Fumerola writes: > > > Jonathon, please desubscribe and block jesus.monroy@usa.net for excessive > > > posts that are intended to start fights, for posting private mails = to > > > public forums, and for having not a productive byte coming from his= > > > mailer. > > = > > Oh man, I hope I didn't start a trend back there :| > > = > > Really, this kind of thing should only happen in extreme circumstance= s > > (and yes, I consider Brett's behaviour an extreme circumstance) > = > I'm not trying to be trendy. > = > Nothing bothers me more then replying to a private mail in a public for= um. > It's bad form, and shows utter lack of respect. > = > It's like tape-recording a phone conversation and playing it back on a > loudspeaker. > = This is my resonse. --- "I'd rather pay for my freedom than live in a bitmapped, = pop-up-happy dungeon like NT." http://www.performancecomputing.com/features/9809of1.shtml ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jun 25 4:26:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from nwcst314.netaddress.usa.net (nwcst314.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.23.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A2C1015662 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 04:26:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesus.monroy@usa.net) Received: (qmail 8634 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jun 1999 11:25:37 -0000 Message-ID: <19990625112537.8633.qmail@nwcst314.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.23.59 by nwcst314 via web-mailer(M3.2.0.17) on Fri Jun 25 11:25:37 GMT 1999 Date: 25 Jun 99 04:25:37 PDT From: Jesus Monroy To: Jordan K.Hubbard Subject: Re: [Re: My FreeBSD Experience ] Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.2.0.17) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > > When FreeBSD is "ready for prime time" I'll try it again. In the = > > meantime, > > I'll stick with Windows, warts and all. To paraphrase Charles > > Dickens, Mr. > > Bill Gates may be "a grasping, covetous old sinner" but his OS does = > > install. > = > Comments like this are unhelpful. FreeBSD installs just fine and I > and many many thousands of other folks install it all the time. Given > the most elementary laws of statistics, I have to assume that the > fault is yours (in fact, I'd bet money on it). Unfortunately, you > don't give us enough detail on the failure to tell you precisely where > you screwed it up. > = I share your frustration as I have several customers that can only report that "the printers are broken". = Gee, does this mean the paper is jammed or the you are out of ink, or the are no blinking lights on the face plate. I don't know it's broken. I've now refused to return to the site until they learn to install paper in the = printer themselves. Anyway, enough of the war stories. I've redirected this message in the hope of once again getting some push on compile the kernel in various formats (permutations). I've given it some thought and come to realize that = the kernel can be test compiled and run for at least the major components; that is, HD, video, sio, etc. = I can also note that 386/486 class machines don't need PCI and likely PNP. In any case, I believe that a "tree" might culled from the seperate permutations. At the = very least I think, a "rule set" might be devised such that prolog (or another lang) might get us a decent path to start. After all these machines need something to do in between cracks (rc5 that is :-> ). regards jessem. --- "I'd rather pay for my freedom than live in a bitmapped, = pop-up-happy dungeon like NT." http://www.performancecomputing.com/features/9809of1.shtml ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jun 25 5:29:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from hp9000.chc-chimes.com (hp9000.chc-chimes.com [206.67.97.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6E1514C59; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 05:29:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost by hp9000.chc-chimes.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA046888572; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 04:16:12 -0400 Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 04:16:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fumerola To: Jesus Monroy Cc: W Gerald Hicks , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, jmb@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: Kernel config script ] ] ] In-Reply-To: <19990625092533.26406.qmail@nw175.netaddress.usa.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 25 Jun 1999, Jesus Monroy wrote: > In my book, there is no such thing as private email in this > forum. What the hell do you guys have to be afraid of? Private e-mail would be the ones not sent "in this forum". I'm afraid of pricks like you who don't respect people's privacy. It's very childish to redirect private mail to a mailing list. - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jun 25 9:47:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79A2D15656 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:47:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr01.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA06670; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:47:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr01.primenet.com(206.165.6.201) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd006637; Fri Jun 25 09:47:03 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr01.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA25497; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:47:03 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199906251647.JAA25497@usr01.primenet.com> Subject: Re: [Re: My FreeBSD Experience ] To: jesus.monroy@usa.net (Jesus Monroy) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 16:47:02 +0000 (GMT) Cc: jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19990625112537.8633.qmail@nwcst314.netaddress.usa.net> from "Jesus Monroy" at Jun 25, 99 04:25:37 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > When FreeBSD is "ready for prime time" I'll try it again. In the > > > meantime, > > > I'll stick with Windows, warts and all. To paraphrase Charles > > > Dickens, Mr. > > > Bill Gates may be "a grasping, covetous old sinner" but his OS does > > > install. > > > > Comments like this are unhelpful. FreeBSD installs just fine and I > > and many many thousands of other folks install it all the time. Given > > the most elementary laws of statistics, I have to assume that the > > fault is yours (in fact, I'd bet money on it). Unfortunately, you > > don't give us enough detail on the failure to tell you precisely where > > you screwed it up. > > I share your frustration as I have several customers that > can only report that "the printers are broken". > Gee, does this mean the paper is jammed or the you are > out of ink, or the are no blinking lights on the face plate. > I don't know it's broken. With respect, I think you are both missing the point. It is possible to take his ability to make pilot errors away from him, and avoid this type of complaint altogether. It's called "usability engineering". Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jun 25 10:18:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from OAAI.COM (ns1.oaai.com [142.148.106.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 976C414D40 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 10:18:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from maury@OAAI.COM) Received: from sasquatch (sasquatch.oaai.com [142.148.106.72]) by OAAI.COM (8.9.1/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA23009 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 13:19:30 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from maury) Message-Id: <199906251719.NAA23009@OAAI.COM> To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Presenting FreeBSD to a Linux Users Group? In-Reply-To: <19990624123707.L25805@winternet.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 13:24:36 -0400 From: Maury Markowitz X-Mailer-Extensions: SWSignature 1.3.2 X-Mailer: by Apple MailViewer (2.106) Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > 3. Show them some of the cooler parts of FreeBSD. I am > particularly and continually impressed with the ports/pkg collection. > There just isn't an easier way to do it. I'm coming from the OS-X world and my FreeBSD use is maybe 20 hours total, but is this really any different than the Debian dpkg collection stuff? Maury To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jun 25 11:11:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D1A514F0D for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:11:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA67713; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:11:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Terry Lambert Cc: jesus.monroy@usa.net (Jesus Monroy), advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [Re: My FreeBSD Experience ] In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 25 Jun 1999 16:47:02 -0000." <199906251647.JAA25497@usr01.primenet.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:11:28 -0700 Message-ID: <67710.930334288@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > It is possible to take his ability to make pilot errors away from > him, and avoid this type of complaint altogether. It's called > "usability engineering". No, that's called "Windows." - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jun 25 13:33:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from pokey.local.net (tcs5-22.arl.netwalk.net [216.69.201.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD3C114F33 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 13:33:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmutter@netwalk.com) Received: from insomnia.local.net (insomnia.local.net [192.168.2.3]) by pokey.local.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA13220; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 16:33:39 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jmutter@insomnia.local.net) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 16:37:44 -0400 (EDT) From: "James A. Mutter" Reply-To: jmutter@netwalk.com To: Maury Markowitz Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Presenting FreeBSD to a Linux Users Group? In-Reply-To: <199906251719.NAA23009@OAAI.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :> 3. Show them some of the cooler parts of FreeBSD. I am :> particularly and continually impressed with the ports/pkg collection. :> There just isn't an easier way to do it. : : I'm coming from the OS-X world and my FreeBSD use is maybe 20 :hours total, but is this really any different than the Debian dpkg :collection stuff? : I stopped using Linux (RedHat) a little over 2 years ago, but one of my worst memories was constantly fighting with RPM. I don't know if it's changed substantially in the last 2 years, but my experience with the ports/pkg system has been pleasant and stress free. That however, is just my personal experience. I'm sure that someone's out there who can tell me that RPM is just dandy and the ports/pkg collection is difficult to work with. :/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jun 25 13:57:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from OAAI.COM (ns1.oaai.com [142.148.106.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C8E515815 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 13:57:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from maury@OAAI.COM) Received: from sasquatch (sasquatch.oaai.com [142.148.106.72]) by OAAI.COM (8.9.1/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA23295 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 16:58:59 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from maury) Message-Id: <199906252058.QAA23295@OAAI.COM> To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Presenting FreeBSD to a Linux Users Group? In-Reply-To: <199906251719.NAA23009@OAAI.COM> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 17:04:07 -0400 From: Maury Markowitz X-Mailer-Extensions: SWSignature 1.3.2 X-Mailer: by Apple MailViewer (2.106) Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I stopped using Linux (RedHat) a little over 2 years ago, but one of > my worst memories was constantly fighting with RPM. I can't speak for RH, I've only seen the Debian stuff. I'm pushing Apple to use it, but in retrospect I'm thinking maybe they shouldn't, because it's GPL'ed and I'm not sure I like the side effects of GPL. Nevertheless dpkg is cool, so maybe you can tell me if this is as cool? Basically dpkg has a complete dependancy tree, so you can say that in order to use xxx, you also need at least version yyy of zzz. This can continue at any level in the OS. If you do have something out of date, I believe it can actually go out on the net and get the pkg needed to update zzz, and then install it, and then continue to install your original pkg. Is there something similar for FreeBSD (forgive me, I'm new to this)? If there isn't, would anyone reading this be interested in making one with me? > it's changed substantially in the last 2 years, but my experience with > the ports/pkg system has been pleasant and stress free. Me too now that I think of it! I wanted a nice editor (don't say vi, please) so the boss showed me the package system on our FreeBSD box, and we had pico (inside pine) installed in a few seconds. It was nice, although on the Apple side of things I'd much prefer a Cocoa GUI (as opposed to char graphics), and I'd be happy to write that part myself. Maury To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jun 25 14: 6:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C48D14D11 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:06:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id HAA13290; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 07:06:23 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19990626070618.17353@welearn.com.au> Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 07:06:18 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Maury Markowitz Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Presenting FreeBSD to a Linux Users Group? References: <199906251719.NAA23009@OAAI.COM> <199906252058.QAA23295@OAAI.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <199906252058.QAA23295@OAAI.COM>; from Maury Markowitz on Fri, Jun 25, 1999 at 05:04:07PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Jun 25, 1999 at 05:04:07PM -0400, Maury Markowitz wrote: > Nevertheless dpkg is cool, so maybe you can tell me > if this is as cool? > > Basically dpkg has a complete dependancy tree, so you can say that > in order to use xxx, you also need at least version yyy of zzz. > This can continue at any level in the OS. If you do have something > out of date, I believe it can actually go out on the net and get the > pkg needed to update zzz, and then install it, and then continue to > install your original pkg. Sounds like it does a lot of what FreeBSD does. > Me too now that I think of it! I wanted a nice editor (don't say > vi, please) so the boss showed me the package system on our FreeBSD > box, and we had pico (inside pine) installed in a few seconds. It > was nice, although on the Apple side of things I'd much prefer a > Cocoa GUI (as opposed to char graphics), and I'd be happy to write > that part myself. Have I got a deal for you! Install nedit, and you'll be in heaven. If you read no docs you'll be impressed. If you read the docs and use all its features you'll be staggered. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jun 25 14: 9:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from aic-gw.mlink.net (aic-gw.mlink.net [209.104.118.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8B1EE15857 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:09:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matt@AIC-GW.MLINK.NET) Received: (qmail 1577 invoked by uid 1000); 25 Jun 1999 21:09:26 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 25 Jun 1999 21:09:26 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 17:09:26 -0400 (EDT) From: matt To: Sue Blake Cc: Maury Markowitz , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Presenting FreeBSD to a Linux Users Group? In-Reply-To: <19990626070618.17353@welearn.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 26 Jun 1999, Sue Blake wrote: : On Fri, Jun 25, 1999 at 05:04:07PM -0400, Maury Markowitz wrote: [snipped] : > Me too now that I think of it! I wanted a nice editor (don't say : > vi, please) so the boss showed me the package system on our FreeBSD : > box, and we had pico (inside pine) installed in a few seconds. It : > was nice, although on the Apple side of things I'd much prefer a : > Cocoa GUI (as opposed to char graphics), and I'd be happy to write : > that part myself. AMEN, nedit is a *terrific* editor, hell I dare not even call it an editor, it's BEYOND being an editor...check it out at ftp://ftp.fnal.gov/KITS/pub/nedit/v5_0_2/ You will NOT be disappointed. : Have I got a deal for you! Install nedit, and you'll be in heaven. If : you read no docs you'll be impressed. If you read the docs and use all : its features you'll be staggered. : : : -- : : Regards, : -*Sue*- -- matt@AIC-GW.MLINK.NET To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jun 25 14:13:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from OAAI.COM (ns1.oaai.com [142.148.106.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3C8A1585E for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:13:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from maury@OAAI.COM) Received: from sasquatch (sasquatch.oaai.com [142.148.106.72]) by OAAI.COM (8.9.1/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA23357 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 17:15:02 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from maury) Message-Id: <199906252115.RAA23357@OAAI.COM> To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Presenting FreeBSD to a Linux Users Group? In-Reply-To: <199906252058.QAA23295@OAAI.COM>; from Maury Markowitz on Fri, Jun 25, 1999 at 05:04:07PM -0400 Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 17:20:11 -0400 From: Maury Markowitz X-Mailer-Extensions: SWSignature 1.3.2 X-Mailer: by Apple MailViewer (2.106) Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Sounds like it does a lot of what FreeBSD does. Can someone be a bit more specific? I don't have easy access to my Free box now. If anyone can even point me to some online docs that would be _much_ appreciated. > Have I got a deal for you! Install nedit, and you'll be in heaven. That needs X though, right? All I have here is Telnet (fast though) so I figured pico was the way to go? Maury To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jun 25 15:15:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D171315611 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:15:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id PAA12504; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:13:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omni.xylan.com by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id PAA04472; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:13:39 -0700 Received: from softweyr.com (dyn2.utah.xylan.com) by omni.xylan.com (4.1/SMI-4.1 (xylan engr [SPOOL])) id AA04407; Fri, 25 Jun 99 15:13:26 PDT Message-Id: <3773FF06.D310678C@softweyr.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 16:13:26 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Sue Blake Cc: Maury Markowitz , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Presenting FreeBSD to a Linux Users Group? References: <199906251719.NAA23009@OAAI.COM> <199906252058.QAA23295@OAAI.COM> <19990626070618.17353@welearn.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sue Blake wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 25, 1999 at 05:04:07PM -0400, Maury Markowitz wrote: > > > Nevertheless dpkg is cool, so maybe you can tell me > > if this is as cool? > > > > Basically dpkg has a complete dependancy tree, so you can say that > > in order to use xxx, you also need at least version yyy of zzz. > > This can continue at any level in the OS. If you do have something > > out of date, I believe it can actually go out on the net and get the > > pkg needed to update zzz, and then install it, and then continue to > > install your original pkg. > > Sounds like it does a lot of what FreeBSD does. Except in FreeBSD, you don't have to "go out on the net and get the pkg" because pkg_add does that for you. Yup, you can pkg_add a URL and any packages it depends on will be automagically fetched and installed if they don't already exist on the system. Is that cool, or what? -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jun 25 16:48:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from peloton.physics.montana.edu (peloton.physics.montana.edu [153.90.192.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3878D14DFA for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 16:48:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu) Received: from localhost (brett@localhost) by peloton.physics.montana.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA12627; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 17:47:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 17:47:51 -0600 (MDT) From: Brett Taylor To: Maury Markowitz Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Presenting FreeBSD to a Linux Users Group? In-Reply-To: <199906252115.RAA23357@OAAI.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, On Fri, 25 Jun 1999, Maury Markowitz wrote: > > Sounds like it does a lot of what FreeBSD does. > > Can someone be a bit more specific? I don't have easy access to > my Free box now. If anyone can even point me to some online docs > that would be _much_ appreciated. FreeBSD, in addition to the pkg system that got you pico (pine) has a ports system. If you have the ports directory tree (typically in /usr/ports), you can install any of 2200 or so applications by typing "make install" - it will automagically install all dependencies and while building from source that has been patched to work for FreeBSD. Check out http://www.freebsd.org/ports/ or related pages at the handbook (the link to the handbook is on the front page of www.freebsd.org) to find out more. Note also that a new package system is under development and sounds to be mucho better than what I already think is, bar none, the easiest way to install software, that works first shot out, ever! Brett *********************************************************** Brett Taylor brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu * brett@daemonnews.org * * http://www.daemonnews.org/ * *********************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jun 25 17:13:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from peloton.physics.montana.edu (peloton.physics.montana.edu [153.90.192.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17DB614C4C for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 17:13:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu) Received: from localhost (brett@localhost) by peloton.physics.montana.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA12762; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 18:02:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 18:02:49 -0600 (MDT) From: Brett Taylor To: "James A. Mutter" Cc: Maury Markowitz , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Presenting FreeBSD to a Linux Users Group? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, On Fri, 25 Jun 1999, James A. Mutter wrote: > :Note also that a new package system is under development and sounds to be > :mucho better than what I already think is, bar none, the easiest way to > :install software, that works first shot out, ever! > Hmm. I've not heard of that. Is there a URL describing the new > package system? My biggest concern is that it maintains the > simplicity of the current system. I suspect one of the reasons I > always had so much trouble with the RPM system was that it was just > too complex for its own good. No URL available - it's still in alpha^(n) state AFAIK and I don't know when it will be out in test mode. I've actually only heard Jordan and Mike Smith (or maybe it was PW Satoshi) talk about its development. You might search the mailing lists for something on it but what you'd search for to find it I can't guess. I imagine "new port system" might find something but probably not quickly. :-) BTW, I tried to use rpm once. Yep once - looked for the switch to "install the stupid rpm" - got tired of trying to find it in the man page - gave up. :-) Brett *********************************************************** Brett Taylor brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu * brett@daemonnews.org * * http://www.daemonnews.org/ * *********************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jun 25 21:32:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from nwcst277.netaddress.usa.net (nwcst277.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.23.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6C20115348 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 21:32:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesus.monroy@usa.net) Received: (qmail 9675 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jun 1999 04:33:00 -0000 Message-ID: <19990626043300.9674.qmail@nwcst277.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.23.22 by nwcst277 via web-mailer(M3.2.0.17) on Sat Jun 26 04:33:00 GMT 1999 Date: 25 Jun 99 21:33:00 PDT From: Jesus Monroy To: Terry Lambert Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: My FreeBSD Experience ]] Cc: jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.2.0.17) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Terry Lambert wrote: > > > > I share your frustration as I have several customers that > > can only report that "the printers are broken". = > > Gee, does this mean the paper is jammed or the you are > > out of ink, or the are no blinking lights on the face plate. > > I don't know it's broken. > = > With respect, I think you are both missing the point. > = > It is possible to take his ability to make pilot errors away from > him, and avoid this type of complaint altogether. It's called > "usability engineering". > = I am open to suggestions. = Perhaps, there is something I could learn. 8-) Please continue. = = --- "I'd rather pay for my freedom than live in a bitmapped, = pop-up-happy dungeon like NT." http://www.performancecomputing.com/features/9809of1.shtml ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jun 25 21:35:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from nwcst322.netaddress.usa.net (nwcst322.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.23.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 92C2D15348 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 21:35:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesus.monroy@usa.net) Received: (qmail 29466 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jun 1999 04:35:09 -0000 Message-ID: <19990626043509.29465.qmail@nwcst322.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.23.67 by nwcst322 via web-mailer(M3.2.0.17) on Sat Jun 26 04:35:09 GMT 1999 Date: 25 Jun 99 21:35:09 PDT From: Jesus Monroy To: Maury Markowitz , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [Re: Presenting FreeBSD to a Linux Users Group?] X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.2.0.17) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Maury Markowitz wrote: > > 3. Show them some of the cooler parts of FreeBSD. I am > > particularly and continually impressed with the ports/pkg collection.= = > > There just isn't an easier way to do it. > = > I'm coming from the OS-X world and my FreeBSD use is maybe 20 = > hours total, but is this really any different than the Debian dpkg = > collection stuff? > = I'm told it's not, but I don't run it. I will however do an install next. Any suggetions or favorite pevs to look for? --- "I'd rather pay for my freedom than live in a bitmapped, = pop-up-happy dungeon like NT." http://www.performancecomputing.com/features/9809of1.shtml ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jun 25 21:37:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from relay03.netaddress.usa.net (relay03.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.183]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E0B5415348 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 21:37:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesus.monroy@usa.net) Received: (qmail 494 invoked from network); 26 Jun 1999 04:37:51 -0000 Received: from nw174.netaddress.usa.net (HELO .netaddress.usa.net) (204.68.24.74) by outbound.netaddress.usa.net with SMTP; 26 Jun 1999 04:37:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 4368 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jun 1999 04:37:51 -0000 Message-ID: <19990626043751.4367.qmail@.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.74 by nw174 via web-mailer(M3.2.0.17) on Sat Jun 26 04:37:51 GMT 1999 Date: 25 Jun 99 21:37:51 PDT From: Jesus Monroy To: Jordan K.Hubbard , Terry Lambert Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: My FreeBSD Experience ] ] Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.2.0.17) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > > It is possible to take his ability to make pilot errors away from > > him, and avoid this type of complaint altogether. It's called > > "usability engineering". > = > No, that's called "Windows." > = What? I don't think so. I think perhaps Terry had another point. The question is do you care? --- "I'd rather pay for my freedom than live in a bitmapped, = pop-up-happy dungeon like NT." http://www.performancecomputing.com/features/9809of1.shtml ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jun 25 23:56: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.dyn.ml.org (pm3-44.ppp.wenet.net [206.15.85.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF90314F5F for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 23:56:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) Received: from localhost (garbanzo@localhost) by zippy.dyn.ml.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA01630; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 23:55:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) X-Authentication-Warning: zippy.dyn.ml.org: garbanzo owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 23:55:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex Zepeda To: Wes Peters Cc: Sue Blake , Maury Markowitz , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Presenting FreeBSD to a Linux Users Group? In-Reply-To: <3773FF06.D310678C@softweyr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 25 Jun 1999, Wes Peters wrote: > Except in FreeBSD, you don't have to "go out on the net and get the pkg" > because pkg_add does that for you. Yup, you can pkg_add a URL and any > packages it depends on will be automagically fetched and installed if > they don't already exist on the system. Yes, but part of dselect's ability to go out on the net and fetch things for you includes better dependency managment than what the free BSDs system offers. Have you ever tried to upgrade Qt while anything KDE is installed (the Gnome packages too are just as bad)? Or egcs. Debian handled the whole egcs/gcc thing in a very nice manner. > Is that cool, or what? Sure, it's got that whole cool factor, but it tends to be useful (for me) only in isolated cases (a package here and there). - alex To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Jun 26 0:50:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz (unknown [203.96.92.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 946A21512B for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 00:50:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from junkmale@pop3.xtra.co.nz) Received: from wocker ([210.55.152.15]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail v04.00.02.07 201-227-108) with SMTP id <19990626075324.GZHW784493.mta1-rme@wocker>; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 19:53:24 +1200 From: "Dan Langille" Organization: The FreeBSD Diary To: "Kelly Yancey" Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 19:50:12 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Using MS on FreeBSD sites Reply-To: junkmale@xtra.co.nz Cc: In-reply-to: <000101bebe48$f1a1fb40$291c453f@kbyanc.alcnet.com> References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990626075324.GZHW784493.mta1-rme@wocker> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I missed these messages altogether. My thanks to those that brought it to my attention. My apologies to those that have continued to support me. Petty wee things such as this topic get right up my nose. On 24 Jun 99, at 9:53, Kelly Yancey wrote: > As a side note, intended for the -advocacy list: while doing my quick > search I discovered something disturbing about the freebsddiary.com site > which I was not aware of...it's driven by Frontpage (blech). The tip off > what the search engine's URL: > http://www.freebsddiary.com/_vti_bin/shtml.exe/freebsd/search.htm. On the > other hand, the best I can tell it is running on some unix (it's got > sendmail at least)...but isn't this the sort of thing that could come back > and bite us? Maybe I'm just a little paranoid. :) First of all, thanks for visiting my site. I hope you found stuff which was useful. In one of the mailing lists, I read that one should not assume malice of that which can be explained by stupidity. In the case in point, I must give you the benefit of the doubt without judging your goals. Now to the point. I've never attempted to hide anything about my site. It's all very open. If you looked at the source for many of the webpages you'll find: Many will have noticed that I include articles on how I installed FP so it's no big secret that I use FP. I guess I should be flattered that you consider my site so significant that it could possibly have any repercussions whatsoever on the FreeBSD Project. But I think you are way off base. Hypothetically, let us assume that it does "come back and bite us". What would you propose we do about my site? Another point: I write Windows applications for a living. It's that income which allows me to write the Diary. Put it this way: without MicroSoft, "The FreeBSD Diary" would not exist. Any suggestions? Should my site be removed because of this? What about those FreeBSD people who also use MS products? I use FP because, for me, and I stress again, FOR ME, it does what I need and it does it well. That's all. And for the real kicker: I use FrontPage 98 which means I use Windows on my desktop. Does that bother you? What should we do about that? best wishes -- Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited The FreeBSD Diary - http://www.FreeBSDDiary.org/freebsd/ NZ FreeBSD User Group - http://www.nzfug.nz.freebsd.org/ The Racing System - http://www.racingsystem.com/racingsystem.htm To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Jun 26 9:33:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from pokey.local.net (tcs1-47.arl.netwalk.net [216.69.200.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D02D14FB1 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 09:33:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmutter@netwalk.com) Received: from insomnia.local.net (insomnia.local.net [192.168.2.3]) by pokey.local.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA13670; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 19:59:53 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jmutter@insomnia.local.net) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 20:03:56 -0400 (EDT) From: "James A. Mutter" Reply-To: jmutter@netwalk.com To: Brett Taylor Cc: Maury Markowitz , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Presenting FreeBSD to a Linux Users Group? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :Note also that a new package system is under development and sounds to be :mucho better than what I already think is, bar none, the easiest way to :install software, that works first shot out, ever! : :Brett Hmm. I've not heard of that. Is there a URL describing the new package system? My biggest concern is that it maintains the simplicity of the current system. I suspect one of the reasons I always had so much trouble with the RPM system was that it was just too complex for its own good. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Jun 26 12:49:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from aic-gw.mlink.net (aic-gw.mlink.net [209.104.118.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B5A1F15000 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 12:49:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matt@AIC-GW.MLINK.NET) Received: (qmail 14580 invoked by uid 1000); 26 Jun 1999 19:49:54 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 26 Jun 1999 19:49:54 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 15:49:54 -0400 (EDT) From: matt To: FreeBSD-QUESTIONS Cc: FreeBSD-ADVOCACY Subject: My story of how I moved to FreeBSD Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well, I started out with Linux about 2.5 years ago, I loved it, thought it was a nice easy way to learn *nix, but once I started to learn more and more I realized that Linux just wasn't the right OS for me.. So I looked into OpenBSD, FreeBSD, NetBSD, hell even Solaris 7.. My first choice was OpenBSD 2.4 at the time, I liked it and still do, as a dedicated server, but it's ports collections and compatibilty was just too poor as a desktop for my liking.. So I moved onto FreeBSD, ever since there's been NO looking back, I run several Linux applications now in FreeBSD that run better then they did in Linux, I feel comfortable with FreeBSD, it's STABLE as a rock, and handles load and memory terrifically, I've NEVER gotten the machine to swap (with 256M ram on a 400Mhz Celeron) not even during a make world to -STABLE, the package handling and ports tree amazed me, and I guess the whole point of this letter is to say look, Linux is a nice OS for people new to *nix, it has a nice easy kernel configuration, though once you get used to the changes from Linux to FreeBSD kernel wise, it's a breeze, and makes life so much easier in my opinion, ie; I have a second box with mostly the same hardware, quick copy of my kernel file and poof, It worked like a charm.. The documentation for FreeBSD is also TERRIFIC the handbook helped me out GREATLY in making over the change, as did the FreeBSD mailing lists something Linux severely lacks, However, FreeBSD lacks the cross-platform support that it needs, my friend for instance wanted to run it on a powerpc MAC, but he couldn't, so he decided to use NetBSD instead, it's something we really need to work on, but ever since I moved to FreeBSD, I'll never look back again.. Keep up the good work, and lets make FreeBSD the best it can be.. I guess the point of this email is really just to credit the coders and helpers and above all, the users of FreeBSD.. I'm so happy that there is an OS out there that REALLY fits my needs.. BTW, this is posted to questions@ because there's been some talk about linux vs. freebsd there.. There is one thing though, we NEED thread-aware Xlibraries, if such a thing already exists ( I know it does for Linux ) please inform me of where to get it... xmms doesn't like to run without them.. Take care people.. My apologies if anyone thinks this is a pointless letter.. Matt -- matt@AIC-GW.MLINK.NET To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Jun 26 14:14:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from hp9000.chc-chimes.com (hp9000.chc-chimes.com [206.67.97.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D4B214C17 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 14:14:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost by hp9000.chc-chimes.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA111886434; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 13:00:34 -0400 Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 13:00:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fumerola To: Wes Peters Cc: Sue Blake , Maury Markowitz , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Presenting FreeBSD to a Linux Users Group? In-Reply-To: <3773FF06.D310678C@softweyr.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 25 Jun 1999, Wes Peters wrote: > Except in FreeBSD, you don't have to "go out on the net and get the pkg" > because pkg_add does that for you. Yup, you can pkg_add a URL and any > packages it depends on will be automagically fetched and installed if > they don't already exist on the system. # pkg_add -r zsh > Is that cool, or what? '-r' is even cooler. It's smart enought to know where to look for the package without the user having to hunt the right directory. :> - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message