From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sat Jul 11 09:57:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA18580 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 09:57:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from whqvax.picker.com (whqvax.picker.com [144.54.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA18471; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 09:57:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rhh@ct.picker.com) Received: from ct.picker.com by whqvax.picker.com with SMTP; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 12:56:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from elmer.ct.picker.com ([144.54.57.34]) by ct.picker.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13121; Sat, 11 Jul 98 12:56:41 EDT Received: by elmer.ct.picker.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA14446; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 12:56:03 -0400 Message-Id: <19980711125602.A14345@ct.picker.com> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 12:56:02 -0400 From: Randall Hopper To: Roger Hardiman , Mark Handley , Mark Tinguely , Amancio Hasty , Greg Lehey , "Jonathan M. Bresler" , Sue Blake , Eivind Eklund Cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: list closed to non subscribers Mail-Followup-To: Roger Hardiman , Mark Handley , Mark Tinguely , Amancio Hasty , Greg Lehey , "Jonathan M. Bresler" , Sue Blake , Eivind Eklund , multimedia@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org References: <199807011757.MAA19802@plains.NoDak.edu> <4458.899321082@north.lcs.mit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <4458.899321082@north.lcs.mit.edu>; from Mark Handley on Wed, Jul 01, 1998 at 03:24:42PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The "consensus building" messages: Mark Handley: |The technological solution to this problem would be to only allow |postings from members of the list. Amancio Hasty: |I like that idea a lot . Amancio Hasty: |I see however what we are asking to have the multimedia mailing list |accept mail *only* from members. Can you do that? Amancio Hasty: |The list is now closed and it is time to go back to our multimedia |related topics. Roger Hardiman: |Is -muiltimedia still closed so you need to subscribe before you |can post? | |I'd like it open again, as it used to be. I agree (for your reasons, and a few others which I posted 7/2). At the very least, I'd expect opinions/votes to be solicited and discussion to be held on this topic by list members (and FreeBSD folks in general) before we decide on a policy for all of us based on the expressed desires of only one person. I'd come to expect more from the FreeBSD community. I didn't think this is how we did things here (sounds like Li*ux). |I'd like the group back open again. Seconded. And if some still want it closed, we should "discuss" this and solicit positions/votes first. |Perhaps those that reply with abusive comments about Microsoft |operating systems could just ignore Windows posts. Ditto that. I also have been perturbed by the rudeness of some folks responding to MSW posters. If one of those had been my first exposure to FreeBSD years ago, I for one would have gone elsewhere. All we need is a little tact and a desire to help--who knows who is on the verge of kicking the MSW habit. Randall Randall Hopper: |Amancio Hasty: | |Only members are allowed to post to the multimedia mailing list. | |This is a bad idea IMO. | |Some newer folks that pick up the Bt848 driver or some FreeBSD util and |have trouble with it want to mail a question without signing up for a |mailing list, waiting until they know they're getting the messages, post |the question, accumulate a bunch of irrelevent list mail, get their answer, |and then unsubscribe. | |They'll more likely just drop the driver/utility, forget the problem, and |go onto something else. That's what we'll be encouraging. | |Don't forget that not everyone has an ISP that let's them accumulate the |mail traffic some mailing lists produce, even if they're willing to put up |with the inconvenience of subscribe/wait/post/wait/unsubscribe/clean house. | |I do this same thing with various S/W I use. | |Do the few Windoze posts we get here from time to time annoy you that much? |Hey man, relax and take a vacation. ;-) | |Randall | |To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org |with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message Randall Roger Hardiman : |Hi, | |Is -muiltimedia still closed so you need to subscribe before you |can post? | |I'd like it open again, as it used to be. | |Few reasons. |1) We only ever have one or two Windows 95/98/NT questions a month. | And I usually reply direct to the author with the answer anyway. | | (I reply with a friendly comment about a) what FreeBSD is, b) where | the correct place to post/search is and c) I often know the | answer anyway as I have Win95/98/NT 4 boxes with Bt848's based | grabbers and do some Video for Windows API development. | |2) In Europe, local calls (to your ISP) are not free. email costs me |money. | freebsd-muiltimedia is low traffic, but subscribing increases the | amount of mail you need to download, when usually the reply you | wanted is CC'ed to the original author anyway. | |I'd like the group back open again. | |This time, we could generate some stats on Windows posts and just see |how |frequently they occur. |Perhaps those that reply with abusive comments about Microsoft |operating systems could just ignore Windows posts. 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