From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 29 20:08:37 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42C211065670 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:08:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@larseighner.com) Received: from mail.team1internet.com (mail.team1internet.com [216.110.13.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AABA8FC1B for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:08:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.team1internet.com (Postfix, from userid 12346) id 3E24616B7F2; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:08:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from larseighner.com (unknown [216.110.13.72]) by mail.team1internet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 571BF16B7FC; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:08:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: by larseighner.com (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1001 lars@larseighner.com; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:58:55 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:58:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Lars Eighner X-X-Sender: lars@debranded.6dollardialup.com To: Ruben de Groot In-Reply-To: <20091029182739.GA22923@ei.bzerk.org> Message-ID: <20091029145843.Q98757@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> <200910271703.12828.gnemmi@gmail.com> <20091027213134.GA85815@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <200910272046.00289.gnemmi@gmail.com> <20091028021417.GA93608@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <57d710000910271930u79b618f6m2bae6cf5c3c8fa83@mail.gmail.com> <4AE94914.2090905@locolomo.org> <877hue9o93.fsf@kobe.laptop> <4AE9D708.2010900@locolomo.org> <20091029182739.GA22923@ei.bzerk.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Sanitizer: Anomy and SpamAssassin mail filter - see http://www.6dollardialup.com/support/spaminfo.html Cc: Giorgos Keramidas , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:08:37 -0000 On Thu, 29 Oct 2009, Ruben de Groot wrote: > sendmail is NOT a legacy application. It's actively being developed > ON FreeBSD. Actually, the maintainer(s) are doing a great job Bullshit. Why does sendmail call up the internet during boot? If it needs to know who it is, why can't it look in hosts? Since it cannot be trusted to send mail, what does it need to know from the internet? It has been horribly broken for the 15 years or so that I have run FBSD, and this m4 stuff is a pile of crap. There is no documentation whatsoever. Unless you buy a book from O'Reilly and line the pockets of the "maintainer(s)." Why can't it be a option to configure the system without it? Not any money in that, is there? -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266