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Date:      Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:43:06 -0800
From:      Richard Neese <r.neese@gmail.com>
To:        freebsd-usb@freebsd.org
Cc:        linimon@lonesome.com, stable@freebsd.org, mi+kde@aldan.algebra.com, "M. Warner Losh" <imp@bsdimp.com>, freebsd-bugbusters@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: PR backlog
Message-ID:  <200712261243.08351.r.neese@gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <20071226.114224.-432836428.imp@bsdimp.com>
References:  <20071226.003547.-932932005.imp@bsdimp.com> <20071226180415.GA27409@soaustin.net> <20071226.114224.-432836428.imp@bsdimp.com>

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I agree with this and there is also the 2nd issue of commiters not responding 
to those working on updating ports. 

Point and Fax I have emaile Sobomax about fixing and updating the asterisk 
ports. and have sent patches but never got a reply in 9 months. 

If your going to be a maintainer you need to respond to those working on 
projects already in ports. 


On December 26, 2007 10:42:24 am M. Warner Losh wrote:
> Mark and Henrik make a number of good points here.  Rather than reply
> to the details, I'm going to make a couple of quick observations.
>
> As a project we're not leveraging the community sufficiently when it
> comes to contributions.  The current system of patch review and
> submission is very hap-hazard.  If you happen to get the attention of
> the right person at the right time, then it goes in.  If not, patches
> can languish a long time in the PR system.
>
> The PR system is also the wrong tool for the job.  While Mark touches
> on the cultural issues in play, they are exacerbated by the
> misapplication of a problem system to be a patch submission and
> tracking system.  Maybe we need to adopt a practice from the Linux
> community.  At least for arm kernel patches, there is a two step
> process: submit it to a mailing list for review and refinement, with
> the second step being submitting it into a queue.  I'm not sure the
> details we need to be successful in the FreeBSD project.
>
> Many of the USB patches in the PR system I left alone because I didn't
> have the time and/or knowledge to evaluate them for inclusion, or I
> saw something obviously wrong in the patch.  When I was trying to just
> get through the obviously trivial patches.
>
> Warner
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