From owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 28 17:05:24 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-net@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F6F116A4CE for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 17:05:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from sabre.velocet.net (sabre.velocet.net [216.138.209.205]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 414D143FA3 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 17:05:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from steve@nomad.tor.lets.net) Received: from nomad.lets.net (H74.C220.tor.velocet.net [216.138.220.74]) by sabre.velocet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B80B31396E2 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 19:33:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 23888 invoked by uid 1008); 29 Nov 2003 00:54:31 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 19:54:31 -0500 From: Steve Shorter To: omestre Message-ID: <20031129005431.GA23881@nomad.lets.net> References: <20031125180936.GA19879@nomad.lets.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i cc: freebsd-net@freebsd.org Subject: Re: kern/54383: NFS root configuration without dynamic protocols: dhcp, bootp, etc ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-net@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Networking and TCP/IP with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 01:05:24 -0000 On Fri, Nov 28, 2003 at 04:35:25PM +0000, omestre wrote: > On Tue, 25 Nov 2003, Steve Shorter wrote: > > Hello! > Well, when i did and post that patch, i have mentioned about "It's not a > good/normal diskless solution"... but "it's still a solution! :)) > alternative solution... > I have 6 (six) production diskless servers (4.7) and some ones (5.0) in > "tests". And > are working fine! > But now, my diskless servers are booting from CDROM/RW (5MB) images. When > i want change the kernels, well... in 30 minutes this task is done. > Thanks. (Just the fact of the freebsd hackers are "looking" my patch... > it is just great). > Think, maybe other crazy guy want my solution. To many "Options", this is > what OpenSource is all about. At least to me. With six or seven lines in > the loader.conf file and a kernel+mypatch, you have a diskless server. > Thanks again. > I used to boot from 16 meg solid state M-SYS IDE Pro devices. But abandoned that when I discovered how good PXE support was in STABLE and how simple and reliable it was. Your solution is OK for what you are doing. -steve > Leal. > > > Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 13:09:36 -0500 > > From: Steve Shorter > > To: freebsd-net@freebsd.org > > Subject: kern/54383: NFS root configuration without dynamic protocols: > > dhcp, bootp, etc ... > > > > Howdy! > > > > > > I only boot from Intel cards that support PXE. > > > > This greatly simplifies the administration > > of large numbers of diskless machines. It makes kernel > > changes trivial. If your going to go diskless you may > > as well go all the way for the base/root system and kernel. > > > > If you need RAID disks for data then you can > > throw some swap on them, but otherwise with memory > > cheap you can usually get away without swap. > > > > The problem with hardrives isn't cost. Its a > > source of failure and administrative overhead. > > Avoid them. If you can't, then use RAID for data and > > still PXE boot over the network. > > > > Upgrading kernel on each machine is a major drag > > if there are lots of machines. > > > > In general a solution that is not scalable > > is not a good one. > > > > > > -steve > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-net@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-net > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-net-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > omestre@sdf.lonestar.org > SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org