From owner-freebsd-arch Mon Jul 15 9:29:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5529637B400 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:29:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from w250.z064001178.sjc-ca.dsl.cnc.net (adsl-66.218.45.239.dslextreme.com [66.218.45.239]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 469B843E72 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:29:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jos@catnook.com) Received: (qmail 18592 invoked by uid 1000); 15 Jul 2002 16:29:53 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:29:31 -0700 From: Jos Backus To: freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Package system flaws? Message-ID: <20020715162953.GA12030@lizzy.catnook.com> Reply-To: jos@catnook.com Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20020712121427.GD3678@lummux.tchpc.tcd.ie> <20020712144854.GA756@laurel.tmseck.homedns.org> <20020713054141.A26277@misty.eyesbeyond.com> <20020713011750.GA755@laurel.tmseck.homedns.org> <20020714042237.GD931@lizzy.catnook.com> <20020714042623.GB95460@squall.waterspout.com> <20020714095939.GA588@laurel.tmseck.homedns.org> <200207141333.g6EDXj0L031673@whizzo.transsys.com> <20020714164304.GA32774@lizzy.catnook.com> <20020714181408.GB420@laurel.tmseck.homedns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020714181408.GB420@laurel.tmseck.homedns.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Jul 14, 2002 at 08:14:08PM +0200, Thomas Seck wrote: > I think it is good not to have everyones' favourite scripting language in > the base system. I agree. Nowhere did I say we should include all of them (that's what the ports system is for). I'm saying that the current set of tools in the base is limiting. Unless of course you _define_ the base to consist only of these tools. We should pick one that has a reasonable chance of being able to be supported in the base and stick with it. Perl had build and packaging issues which made it a nightmare to support, fine, so let's pick another one that does a better job than awk/sh/etc. The problems were not with the fact that having a powerful scripting language in the base OS is necessarily bad but with its implementation in FreeBSD. > And VBA is not part of Windows(tm) by the way. Depends on your definition of "Windows", so I'm not going to argue this one. Suffice it to say that a well-supported scripting language is a Good Thing. > No one stops you from doing (cd /usr/ports/lang/ruby && make install). Of course. -- Jos Backus _/ _/_/_/ Santa Clara, CA _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ jos@catnook.com _/_/ _/_/_/ require 'std/disclaimer' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message