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Date:      Mon, 22 Apr 1996 19:31:43 +0930 (CST)
From:      Michael Smith <msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au>
To:        lehey.pad@sni.de (Greg Lehey)
Cc:        msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, lehey.pad@sni.de, wbart3@ktb.net, questions@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Atapi IDE cdrom support
Message-ID:  <199604221001.TAA02672@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au>
In-Reply-To: <199604220937.LAA07574@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> from "Greg Lehey" at Apr 22, 96 11:37:37 am

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Greg Lehey stands accused of saying:
> > How much would a better grade of wire have cost?  Or another week testing
> > the firmware before shipping?  Obviously enough that they decided they
> > couldn't afford it.  (And _don't_ ask about floppy drives 8)
> 
> As I say, "It's just a reflection of the market that they're so
> unreliable."  People buy the things.  If that weren't the case, they'd
> improve them.

Indeed.  It's just sad that people buy them and then say "why doesn't
your OS support this drive? It's the newest and greatest!".  Some poor
FreeBSD hacker turns their mind to mush working out how to talk to
the drive, and then its obsolete and people are demanding support for 
a different monster.

> Anyway, what kind of Panasonic drive?  Part number?  ID string?  Do
> they work with FreeBSD when they work?

It's the CR503/CR563 mechanism.  The 563 is one of the many drives to
wear the "Creative CDROM" label, and I believe that most of them
work OK with the matcd driver.  The CR503-B was a low-cost SCSI CD that
we bought several of, and software-wise they actully work quite well,
although when they're confused they tend to reset the SCSI bus and 
interfere in other devices' transactions.
(Read, if one loses the plot, it's time to power-cycle the system).

The 563's never got a lot of work before they died - most of the time they
were used for installing stuff (Office, various CAD software) and were
removed when they repeatedly hung the system or started making scratching
noises.

So far we're not having too much trouble with the CR504 (the 4x
version), but I've slated them all for replacement at the 12-month 
mark.  I lost a disk at home to one of the 503's and I'm not willing to
go through that again 8(

> Greg

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