From owner-svn-ports-head@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 11 16:08:15 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-ports-head@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 79DEEFDE; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 16:08:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailrelay007.isp.belgacom.be (mailrelay007.isp.belgacom.be [195.238.6.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4730B2DC3; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 16:08:14 +0000 (UTC) X-Belgacom-Dynamic: yes X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnMGAB/p6FNR8mrQ/2dsb2JhbABagw2BH9FAgxsBgRkXd4QEAQU6Dw0jEAsOCgklDyoeBohZAcIlF48KQgeETAEEnC6UfINeO4E2 Received: from 208.106-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (HELO kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org) ([81.242.106.208]) by relay.skynet.be with ESMTP; 11 Aug 2014 18:08:06 +0200 Received: from kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org (kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org [127.0.0.1]) by kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s7BG84Ve038410; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 18:08:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from tijl@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 18:08:03 +0200 From: Tijl Coosemans To: Bryan Drewery Subject: Re: svn commit: r364287 - head/ports-mgmt/pkg-devel Message-ID: <20140811180803.662071e5@kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org> In-Reply-To: <2b62be838237da061c474c2974cc6996@shatow.net> References: <53e39939.55bc.4ca5432c@svn.freebsd.org> <20140807172841.58633e63@kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org> <53E3A468.5050603@FreeBSD.org> <53E3AC0C.5020904@gmx.de> <53E3AD09.2050000@FreeBSD.org> <53E3B3B5.9000104@gmx.de> <53E3B6D8.9080101@FreeBSD.org> <53E590AC.4020105@FreeBSD.org> <53E7A512.8050008@FreeBSD.org> <53E7D193.3090305@FreeBSD.org> <53E7F110.7010105@FreeBSD.org> <53E87E4B.5090600@FreeBSD.org> <53E88B33.8000109@freebsd.org> <2b62be838237da061c474c2974cc6996@shatow.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: svn-ports-head@freebsd.org, Vsevolod Stakhov , svn-ports-all@freebsd.org, ports-committers@freebsd.org, Matthias Andree , Matthew Seaman X-BeenThere: svn-ports-head@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: SVN commit messages for the ports tree for head List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 16:08:15 -0000 On Mon, 11 Aug 2014 10:27:04 -0500 Bryan Drewery wrote: > On 2014-08-11 04:21, Matthew Seaman wrote: >> As I see it, if there's a change to any of the fields that go towards >> creating the package digest, then we're requiring all the users to >> update that package. This should be avoided for trivial changes. >> >> So, switching the question round: what fields in the manifest should >> *not* imply reinstalling the package? >> >> - comment >> - description >> - categories (these don't have much effect for binary packages) >> - www >> - maintainer (hmmm... not sure. We wouldn't want to have former >> maintainers still being pestered about their old >> ports.) > > I would like to move all of this to a different mechanism. It is a lot > of BW overhead to download a new package only because a maintainer > changes, and then to also reinstall all files. I don't think we have > smart upgrades yet where only changed files are extracted (#735). > > It also adds a lot of strain to the package building infrastructure to > be bumping revision for any of those fields. Yes it is the "proper" > thing, but it is not reasonable given all of the overhead. Generally > those things should be bunched up into other significant changes right > now. Yes, ideally those 5 fields are updated by pkg in the local sqlite db without fetching the entire package.