Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 09:23:04 -0700 From: Freddie Cash <fjwcash@gmail.com> To: Julian Elischer <julian@freebsd.org> Cc: FreeBSD-Current <freebsd-current@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: rcs Message-ID: <CAOjFWZ5bsrQ5TuT0W1yTK=T%2Bj4Q=oAPhE-CfN9z1Ydeg_5BF3g@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CAOjFWZ70-or1_873iOgeLMThqAJV_y0ZA0%2BfWhJYTwHygq=pYA@mail.gmail.com> References: <60177810-8DC4-4EA3-8040-A834B79039D2@orthanc.ca> <52538EDC.2080001@freebsd.org> <52541202.3010707@mu.org> <20131008.170444.74714516.sthaug@nethelp.no> <52542BD4.5070706@FreeBSD.org> <52542E1D.9000000@mu.org> <CAOjFWZ4xq3fTQc_%2B7i68HVa3xO6-uXUPt=hAPnH5fv0z9D5WRQ@mail.gmail.com> <52555D1C.8010407@freebsd.org> <CAOjFWZ70-or1_873iOgeLMThqAJV_y0ZA0%2BfWhJYTwHygq=pYA@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Freddie Cash <fjwcash@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 6:41 AM, Julian Elischer <julian@freebsd.org>wrote= : > >> On 10/9/13 2:35 AM, Freddie Cash wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 9:09 AM, Alfred Perlstein <bright@mu.org> wrote: >>> >>> You're right on the money, to be honest this is one of the reasons why >>>> I've switched to using OSX as my desktop OS. >>>> >>>> zsh, vim, screen by default. and upgrades work. At the end of the da= y >>>> I'm spending time doing work, not mucking about my workspace to make i= t >>>> usable for development. >>>> >>>> I think this was brought up at BSDCan in the discussion about making >>>> FreeBSD a more featured development platform. >>>> >>>> Speaking of... has anyone tried PCBSD? >>>> >>> >>> PC-BSD isn't much different from FreeBSD. The installer is GUI and >>> support >>> ZFS, there are some GUI setup tools on first boot for X, there are some >>> GUI >>> tools to select binary drivers for X, and there =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bare w= orking pkgng repos >>> available. >>> >>> I had a lot of issues with PC-BSD 9.0 and 9.1 as I was trying to do >>> things >>> "the FreeBSD way" which broke a lot of things that were done "the PC-BS= D >>> way" (aka don't manually edit config files used for booting). >>> >>> =E2=80=8BSwitching to the "rolling-release" (aka PC-BSD 9-STABLE) and m= oving all >>> my >>> config file edits into <filename>.conf.local fixed my issues. Things >>> have >>> been running smooth, and I finally understand the beauty and simplicity >>> of >>> freebsd-update + pkg. OS gets updated once per month, packages get >>> updated >>> twice per month, no more compiling things from source. It's like using >>> Ubuntu/Debian but with the power and features of FreeBSD. :) >>> =E2=80=8B >>> >> >> When they went to a ZFS-only system, using GRUB, with no alternative, >> then I'm afraid they lost me. >> I want a root filesystem on UFS for reliabailty and simpleness. I can >> debug it's media if needed. >> Before then I really liked it (though ther eis not enough information on >> how it works interneally if you want to use it. >> hopefully that will come.. and I LIKE PBIs FreeBSD should adopt PBIs fo= r >> sure. >> With PBIs you could make even quite base items separately installable. >> versioning problems go away. >> > > There's no GRUB in a default install of PC-BSD 9.0, 9.1, or 9.2. Even on > a ZFS-only setup (which is what I run). It's using the FreeBSD loader, > with custom artwork and menus. > =E2=80=8BHrm, it seems they've changed things with the 9.2 installer. It d= oes use GRUB2 (ewwww!) for the boot loader, and integrates support for ZFS boot environments (via beadm) into it. :( Shame they didn't use the BE support in the FreeBSD loader for this. Wonder if my 9-STABLE-based PC-BSD install will get "upgraded" to GRUB? --=20 Freddie Cash fjwcash@gmail.com
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