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Date:      Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:16:33 -0400
From:      Victor Salaman <salaman@teknos.com>
To:        'Poul-Henning Kamp' <phk@critter.freebsd.dk>, Victor Salaman <salaman@teknos.com>
Cc:        'Scott Mitchell' <rsm@acm.org>, "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com>, Colin Eric Johnson <colinj@cs.unm.edu>, Mike Smith <mike@smith.net.au>, David Kulp <dkulp@neomorphic.com>, freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   RE: compatibility list 
Message-ID:  <608F4F76C94DD211B93100805F29063A8D85@TEKNOS>

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My mail was not meant for anyone to get mad, forgive me if it sounded like
that. I'm really happy with FreeBSD, it's just that I've seen how PAO died
IMHO because FreeBSD would be adding native support, but the current PCMCIA
support in 3.1 and 4.0 doesn't live to PAO's expectations (don't take my
word for it, make a survey if you need to).

And what I said about Linux and FreeBSD, well it's true, FreeBSD is a better
product, but does the world know about this???? I see some kid hacking away
at school, he's using Linux, not FreeBSD. We need to do something about
this. If the truth hurts, so be it, I'll be damned.

-- Victor


-----Original Message-----
From: Poul-Henning Kamp [mailto:phk@critter.freebsd.dk]
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 3:54 PM
To: Victor Salaman
Cc: 'Scott Mitchell'; Jordan K. Hubbard; Colin Eric Johnson; Mike Smith;
David Kulp; freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject: Re: compatibility list 


In message <608F4F76C94DD211B93100805F29063A8D83@TEKNOS>, Victor Salaman
writes:
>It's about time someone said this Scott...
>[...]
>If I were not a technical personal, I wouldn't have been able to make my
>notebook PCIC controller work. Not even with 4.0-CURRENT or anything, just
>because the motivation in the core team is not out there...

Now, if this was intended to make anybody mad it was certainly a
valiant and direct attempt.

Right of the top of my head I know that at least Jordan, Sos and
I run laptops for a significant fraction of our existence, and I
have probably overlooked just about everybody else in the core team
with this statement.

I have sported my current .signature for at least a year, and I
think I was amongst the first unix laptop users around at all:
I ran 386bsd 0.0 on a 386sx laptop where it replaced Minix.  Before
that I ran Minix 1.1.5 on a 8088 based Toshiba T1100 (I still have
it btw :-)

"just becase the motivation in the core team is not out there..."

[SNORT!]

If you think you will only get PCCard support in FreeBSD if somebody
in -core does it, then you are not only about as wrong as you can
be, you are also an ungrateful bastard as well.

It doesn't really matter how much motivation the core-team has anyway,
I think there is plenty motivation, but unfortunately most of us also
have to survive in the real world.

I have to do things like BGP routing and mail-list management
because I happen to have a wife and two kids with most of the
mandatory accessories like a house and food at semi-regular intervals.

I would love to do pccard/cardbus full time, but it will take
somebody offering me sufficient monetary compensation that I can
keep my family warm, dry and fed.  Until that happens, I will have
to work on what people will pay me to do.

Poul-Henning
(Right now a pretty pissed off core team member)

--
Poul-Henning Kamp             FreeBSD coreteam member
phk@FreeBSD.ORG               "Real hackers run -current on their laptop."
FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far!


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