From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 27 22:11:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E429916A41C for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 22:11:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Received: from pooker.samsco.org (pooker.samsco.org [168.103.85.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D563543D1D for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 22:11:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Received: from [192.168.254.14] (imini.samsco.home [192.168.254.14]) (authenticated bits=0) by pooker.samsco.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j4RMDKDg051642; Fri, 27 May 2005 16:13:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Message-ID: <42979AC5.60305@samsco.org> Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 16:10:13 -0600 From: Scott Long User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.7) Gecko/20050416 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthias Buelow References: <3248.172.16.0.199.1116876092.squirrel@172.16.0.1> <42937D06.1070309@samsco.org> <20050526235805.N5798@zoraida.natserv.net> <42969D28.6070306@samsco.org> <20050527102221.X12475@zoraida.natserv.net> <4297316B.3060801@samsco.org> <42978172.6060200@incubus.de> In-Reply-To: <42978172.6060200@incubus.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=3.8 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on pooker.samsco.org Cc: Mike Jakubik , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Lifetime of FreeBSD branches X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 22:11:46 -0000 Matthias Buelow wrote: > Scott Long wrote: > >> Yeah, and what I'm trying to do is smooth the bumps for the long term. >> The 4.x->5.x transition was simply a gigantic mess for users, and it was >> largely a function of it being 4+ years in the making. > > > It still _is_ a gigantic mess. My hosted 5.3-stable server just > crapped itself for the second time this year, for no apparent reason. I > suggest reestablishing 4.x as the "production" tree and continuing to > maintain it for a while, including making releases, and regressing 5.x > to what it is and probably will be for quite a while: > "experimental". > > mkb. No, 4.x is stale enough. If you need help debugging your computer, please let me know and I will personally fix it for you. Scott