From owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 9 12:09:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cvs-all@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: cvs-all@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFDA216A41F; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:09:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pjd@garage.freebsd.pl) Received: from mail.garage.freebsd.pl (arm132.internetdsl.tpnet.pl [83.17.198.132]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FA4043D45; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:09:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pjd@garage.freebsd.pl) Received: by mail.garage.freebsd.pl (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 64CE352C94; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 13:09:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (pjd.wheel.pl [10.0.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.garage.freebsd.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A58952C91; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 13:09:10 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 13:08:59 +0100 From: Pawel Jakub Dawidek To: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-ID: <20051109120859.GC15580@garage.freebsd.pl> References: <20051109104601.GA15580@garage.freebsd.pl> <27530.1131535127@critter.freebsd.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="XMCwj5IQnwKtuyBG" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <27530.1131535127@critter.freebsd.dk> X-PGP-Key-URL: http://people.freebsd.org/~pjd/pjd.asc X-OS: FreeBSD 7.0-CURRENT i386 User-Agent: mutt-ng/devel-r535 (FreeBSD) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on mail.garage.freebsd.pl X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.9 required=3.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.4 Cc: Craig Rodrigues , cvs-src@FreeBSD.org, src-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/kern vfs_mount.c X-BeenThere: cvs-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CVS commit messages for the entire tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 12:09:18 -0000 --XMCwj5IQnwKtuyBG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Nov 09, 2005 at 12:18:47PM +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: +> In message <20051109104601.GA15580@garage.freebsd.pl>, Pawel Jakub Dawid= ek writes: +>=20 +> >Of course we need to consider things like localization, etc. +>=20 +> I'm sorry, but localization of messages of this caliber is a totally +> bogus concern which I intend to ignore 100%. Even then, this is quite annoying to see one communicate in two languages: B=B3=B1d wywo=B3ania mount(2): Invalid fspath +> For one thing, we're never going to see translation done comprehensively +> in FreeBSD when not even AIX has been able to do so. We already translate strerror(3) output (it is not yet turned on by default, AFAIK). Anyway, ignoring this here for sure can't help us implementing this in the future. +> Second, adding the necessary infrastructure to do it properly +> is major piece of work. Agreed. +> Third all the APIs I have ever seen proposed sucks so badly and +> make source code so unreadable that it is not even close to funny +> to think about. Probably. +> Fourth, there is a simple, easy to understand and fully available +> way to do it, should some happy bands of natives want to do it +> anyway: make a per language branch in perforce, translate the +> messages there and make a kernel patch available to the public. God, I hope you're joking here:) Anyway. I don't think localization should stop us from implementing it, but if someone will decide he wants to spend time on it, will be good to at least try. I prefer "it was too hard/complex/unclean" over "ha! didn't think of that". --=20 Pawel Jakub Dawidek http://www.wheel.pl pjd@FreeBSD.org http://www.FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer Am I Evil? Yes, I Am! --XMCwj5IQnwKtuyBG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDcebbForvXbEpPzQRAnsrAJ9bVFo5VU2Ow+UK1UtqLjww7TFHswCcCQuN GmVtHUUXe6zChaZJLTHKPk4= =WZlD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --XMCwj5IQnwKtuyBG--