From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jun 5 15:49:31 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC2C332F7D1 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2020 15:49:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c100085fbc89.91609f1676d60e365cd32f84853627ca@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49dnBy2pd6z48Y3 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2020 15:49:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c100085fbc89.91609f1676d60e365cd32f84853627ca@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1591372170; x=1593964170; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=047xe+/XQ0gWD6Pme7HKuh88iRrHaPRqmW1PUEpBCTw=; b=AwoigmrH2AkaZVQQHdiz7uaB+xTJj8hwj1tP2NdQYyOmvybzWcoHooUY8DBR9Dj0rgiz+3npHNK7V538fvW7D4sPx5sST4y5+P7cGcHOkqorXgmFOWj9INIjBpTpYwUznUIrhsNptCOHOHxsE31AzkdyYLtdlCAjwn9tgogt7+Y= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC45Mi4xZDRjMTAwMDg1ZmJjODkuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r3.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r3.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.191.3]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Fri, 5 Jun 2020 11:49:20 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r3.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Fri, 5 Jun 2020 11:49:19 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.92.3 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jhEae-000NQQ-PO; Fri, 05 Jun 2020 16:49:04 +0100 Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2020 16:49:04 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Robert Huff Cc: Kurt Hackenberg , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Minimal skills Message-Id: <20200605164904.b9680919301654708563a3df@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <24282.13581.526482.840608@jerusalem.litteratus.org> References: <20200604074134.89eb6518.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200604005859.ca438474.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200604020051.0c02472d.freebsd@edvax.de> <24282.13581.526482.840608@jerusalem.litteratus.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49dnBy2pd6z48Y3 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=AwoigmrH; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d4c100085fbc89.91609f1676d60e365cd32f84853627ca@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d4c100085fbc89.91609f1676d60e365cd32f84853627ca@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.85 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.01)[-1.009]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.987]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.15)[-1.150]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c100085fbc89.91609f1676d60e365cd32f84853627ca@email-od.com]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org, 4250.82.1d4c100085fbc89.91609f1676d60e365cd32f84853627ca@email-od.com] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2020 15:49:31 -0000 On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 08:05:33 -0400 Robert Huff wrote: > > Kurt Hackenberg writes: > > > I guess you could start with C, and maybe add C++ later. That's if > > you want to learn to program, which is a big project. There's also > > an argument that a beginning programmer should learn some newer > > language. > > I am now accepting rhetorical nominations for a useful > programming language better suited for teaching a beginning programmer > of at least average intelligence. At the moment the only other > candidate is Pascal, beloved on account of its vast code > base. Python - it's clean, enforces decent structure, is available everywhere and provides an interactive environment which is great for learning and experimenting in. Oh and it *does* have a vast code base and a lot of active users, online resources up the whazoo not least being the Raspberry Pi foundation when it comes to beginner programming. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith